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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

And they flat out denied Biden.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Fox News gave Trump the platform to push the "Muslim not born in America BS" do they not remember this?

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 months ago (3 children)

My high school and early college was during the W. Bush years. I hated him, and around that time is when I got political, active, and told my (Republican) parents that I was a proud Libertarian! (Look, I've learned a lot over the years, and Libertarians used to pretend to be a little more progressive.)

My parents hated that, and constantly gave me the "you may not like him but he's your president too and you have to respect the office!" The first time he complained about Obama (hours after the election), I broke that one out and turned it around. And they ~~realized their hypocrisy immediately becoming gay communists~~ decided that the rule was stupid, actually, and that it turns out you don't have to respect the office when you dont want to!

What bothers me so much more than their stated political views is the realization that they never actually had reasoned, considered views to begin with. They emotionally select things that seem directly beneficial to themselves. And then lie about their beliefs because they know they're selfish and indefensible.

They're still republicans but I'm an anarchist who no longer respects any presidents! Funny where a difference in fundamental values will lead you.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Libertarianism as a concept has a lot to like on a surface level, I was right there with you. They could do something great with the movement, but looking around now you eventually realize that there are really only 2 sides of mainstream libertarianism, 'Republican, but weed and gay people might be okay sometimes' and 'Completely avoid personal accountability, but still punish others when it suits me'.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"We" as in Republicans? Absolutely not true.

In my circle, the outspoken Republicans were absolutely convinced that "Hussein Obama" was a radical, socialist, communist, muslim foreigner who had illegally become president because he was the anti-Christ. He was here to kill the babies and white people and he destroyed the country. Practically everything was Obama's fault such that it sparked the "Thanks, Obama" sarcastic meme. He couldn't do anything right. Employment numbers down? Obama did it. Employment numbers up? Obama is lying about it, they're actually down. Osama Bin Laden killed? That makes everything worse, but also, there's no proof it was actually him.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (1 children)

R×publicans literally called Obama the anti-christ and tried to make everything he did into a scandal (remember the tan suit?).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Spicy-mustard was an insult to America.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Saluting while holding a coffee cup.

Terrorist fist jab.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Wait, what?

They actually have the gall to say they stood behind Obama?

Obama's presidency was the exact point at which toxicity and hate became the overt centerpieces of Republican identity - when they stopped even pretending to be motivated by "fiscal conservatism" and instead gave themselves up entirely to just sowing division and spewing hatred.

Hell - virtually the first thing they did was co-opt the formerly libertarian Tea Party movement, which started out, under Bush, as a series of protests against the Wall Street bailouts - and converted it into a traveling right- wing carnival of hate. That became the entire point of it - after the Republicans took it over, the bailouts were never even mentioned again - all it was was an opportunity for right-wingers to congratulate themselves on how much they hated the left, and especially how much they hated Obama.

It's not too much of a stretch to say that everything MAGA has become - all of the division and all of the hatred and all of the lies - traces back specifically to how the hateful bigots among the Republicans reacted to Obama's presidency and the influence they came to hold over the rest of the party.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

I told a story about how one of the only time I stood up to my awful mother was about this very thing.

I spent time complaining about Bush, and my mother would always whine that you "have" to support the president.

The minute Obama won, she came to me parroting some sort of Fox nonsense, and I engaged her for a while before realizing, "You have to support the president!" She pointed out that I didn't blindly support Bush, and I answered that I believe it's the job of all citizens to question their government (as I openly criticized Obama many times), but she believed you have to "support the president," so when she didn't, she was a hypocrite.

One of the few times I pushed back, and one of the few times she was actually silenced by logic. A memory I hold dear.

[–] [email protected] 147 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I live on the opposite side of the world and even I remember when Obama wore a fucking tan suit once more than 10 years ago because Republicans threw such a big tantrum over it.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 3 months ago (3 children)

But what about that elitist Dijon mustard he put on his hamburger? That was a real travesty.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They freaked out because of the choice of leaf in his salad! (Arugula) That obviously makes him the Antichrist.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Or the time he served too many peas at dinner?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Telling a voter that to help climate change at a very small individual level they could make sure their car tire PSI is up to the recommended level.

Then Republicans said that that was "Obama's foreign policy".

Or how about when they pretended "lipstick on a pig" was a slight to Palin?

Or how about when they forced him to reaffirm "In God We Trust" on the money.

Or how about Michelle Obama just fucking existing and claiming she's a man.

Fuck all of them.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't remember that one.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Michelle and Barack did a fist bump and a Fox News commentator called it a "terrorist fist jab"

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago

How else could republicans attack a guy who deported more people, bombed more countries, and saw the immiseration of more black families than either Bush or Trump? Right-wing democrats are more competent at being republicans than actual republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to stand directly behind Trump. Especially if he was near a cliff.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Got to watch put for that backblast

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