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The Energy Department is poised to finalize modest efficiency standards for stoves and ovens, potentially saving consumers money on energy bills (wapo.st)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The topic of gas stoves ignited a heated debate last year when a Biden appointee suggested they could be banned because they posed a risk to human health.

But a ban isn’t in the works — and this week the administration will finalize a scaled-back plan to make new stoves less energy-intensive.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A few years ago, my electric bill jumped from about $100/month to over $350. I called the local utilities commission and they told me that they could come out and do a "survey" of my appliances but if their guy determined that the bill was my fault, I'd have to pay $100 as a "service call."

The guy essentially walked into my house and just pointed at every appliance and said what it was, told me that my refrigerator was the culprit, then handed me a bill for $100.

This utilities commission is still adding $20 a month to people's electric bill for a "solar research" charge and they've not made a single investment into solar in the 20 years that they started adding that fee. They still burn diesel to generate power.

Edit: My point is, electricity could certainly be less of an expense, but because it's treated as a commodity instead of a necessity, power companies know they can price gauge.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

For the folks getting the thumbnail from MILFtrip.com because of "awesome kbin image caching bug". NO, that is not how the DoE is poised. That position is not of modest efficiency. And I highly doubt that would save consumers money on energy bills.

There are zero ways that anything with a MILF is "less energy-intensive".

[+] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I can't find anything regarding a <10 year lifespan, and of the various stoves I've had, I only replaced one and that was by choice (I wanted an induction stove, which is kind of amazing!)

If you can source the stat, I'll allow it, otherwise I'll have to remove it as misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

FWIW, USA Today says electric ranges last 13-15 years and gas ranges 20 years.

https://reviewed.usatoday.com/ovens/features/how-long-do-kitchen-appliances-last

Personally I'll sacrifice that shortened lifespan for breathing less polluted air.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Cooking on an electric range is miserable. Does the impact of pollutants and carbon offset even cover the cost of replacement given the current efficiency?

I’m all for reduction of pollutants and lessing our carbon footprint, but is this seems like a culture war topic to deflect from actual areas in society were a meaningful impact could be made.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

""Does the impact of pollutants and carbon offset even cover the cost of replacement given the current efficiency?""

Gas stoves emit a variety of harmful air pollutants.. The articles linked below indicate that these pollutants create a myriad of health issues that are particularly evident in children.. The studies cited in the article indicate that exposure comparable to cooking with gas increased respiratory illness in children by 20%..

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-health-risks-of-gas-stoves-explained/

Assuming a new stove costs $900, lasts 10 years, and you make $20/hr, missing just 6 days of work in that 10 year span from respiratory illness would cost more than getting a new stove. Considering that the NO2 quantity produced by gas stoves can cause a 20% increase in respiratory illness in children, I'd argue that switching is a no-brainer from a purely cost aspect, especially if you have children.. Missing work to deal with a sick kid is a nightmare.

If youre living alone & working from home, its likely that just factoring time lost to illness likely wouldn't cover the cost of replacement, but that is just 1 factor out of many..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow, thank you for this. I still have not been impressed with how they are to cook with, but this does make it very enticing to make the switch. I’ve had both a coil & enamel top at different apts and hated both (coil better imo). I might have to find a way to demo a newer model somehow

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

No problem :)

I wish you luck in your quest for a demo..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've never had a problem cooking with an electric stove. Maybe I don't make fancy enough stuff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Some folks microwave everything. Here we argue about fancy food, and they are already living the solarpunk dream.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In what way do you find electric ranges miserable?

I've used gas when I was growing up. I didn't cook as much then but the main thing I remember about it is the gas pipe freezing most winters and having to grab matches to light it during power cuts. (obviously electric is worse during a power cut, but that's a big memory I have for some reason)

I've used induction before and it's just annoying. My sister's one made a really loud noise that you could hear from other rooms, and it always turned itself off if I picked up the pan.

Electric is what I currently have and it's fine. I don't use my wok any more because you can't wrap the heat around like you can with flames, but everything else is just fine. It's easy enough to control the temperature and there's a lot less wasted heat going into the kitchen rather than the food.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Have you ever tried making a roux on electric? Proper heat control is next to impossible with electric ranges..and if you are cooking, that is a critical part of the process

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I think part of that is about what saucepan you use. If you've got thicker saucepans with a higher heat capacity, they can ride out the cycles of an electric cooker better and give a much smoother average temperature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Some of the newer induction stoves have temperature sensors in them, letting you set pot temperature rather than the amount of heat you put in. You get WAY better temperature control than I ever did with gas as a result.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I also find that claim really odd. Electric stoves are pretty much unbreakable, at least the simple ones are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

It's hard to find a simple coil top stove. Most now have computerized controls, those computers don't last longer than 10 years before the capacitors in them wear out. Cost of repair is the the cost of a new stove.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Now if we are talking about washing machines or dishwashers...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The lifetime numbers you give are complete fiction from what I can tell; only way you end up with that is if the home appliance is getting used all day, every day, as if it were installed in a restaurant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is it crazy to think people might cook everyday? Eating everyday? In this economy?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Cooking every day doesn't mean "running all burners on the stove 10 hours per day"

There's a difference between using a stove all day, every day, and cooking meals for one family on it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Doesn’t that beg the question…why aren’t l we forcing this upon restaurants and fast food where it will make the greatest impact?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

You're conflating two things:

Most stoves are installed at home, and designed for ordinary at-home use
A standard for the efficiency of new stoves manufactured 2028 and later

That's just sealioning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Wow my uh, preview image is rather explicit. I don’t even surf pork on Lemmy, the hell?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I read an article about stove top gas regulations for nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I recommend cooking breakfast the morning after.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Lemmy and the Washington Post tend to interact really badly. It's an ongoing problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Jesus Christ hahaha glad I wasn't browsing at work!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same. I am aware that KBin has some occasional issues with wrong thumbnails, but this one is absolutely hilarious.

@ernest ?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Saving consumers money and having them breathe healthier air is just part of the liberal woke mind virus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It's my freedom to suck on tailpipes and stove exhaust. Those damn libruls better not take that right away from me!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I like coil top stoves, and hate computers in bedded in stoves.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We're going to get low-flow burners, aren't we?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

So what you're saying is that your big turd needs a big flush... Fueled by a big stove?

God help us

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

People complaining about low-flow toilets have never used a modern low-flow toilet. Ours has two flush buttons, a big one and a small one. I'm sure you can guess which situation you use each one for. It works quite well. In fact, our old toilet, which was not low flow, used to clog all the time. I think I've had to unclog this one once and we've had it 4 or 5 years now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It’s really down to what timeframe you’re looking at. I do want to get a new toilet exactly because my “low flow” toilet from 25+ years ago doesn’t flush as well as a modern one . Meanwhile the real water hogs from 50+ years ago could flush a sailboat.

I think water saving toilets went in generations like: 5+ gal—>3.5 gal—>1.6 gal—>1.2 gal

I’m at the 1.6 gallon flush generation, but modern ones about 1.2 gallon or better were where the technology actually improved

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

No... Or, really I have no idea what you're saying. I was just making a joke about low-flow shower heads.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Some conservative ghoul, like Clarence Thomas:

This is why the administrative state needs to go.