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Mozilla chairman's salary vs Firefox market share (as of 2023) (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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From https://reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1hokr0c/mozilla_chair_pay_vs_firefox_market_share_2023/m4aca4j/:

Total 2022 pay: $6,903,089
Total 2023 pay: $6,260,072 - a $643,017 decrease
Base chair pay: $600,000
2023 chair bonuses and other incentives: $5,622,600

Sources:

For comparison, here are other executive salaries ($0 bonuses for each)

Executive name	Title	Total Pay (2023)
MARK SURMAN	PRESIDENT & EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR	715,143
J. BOB ALOTTA	SVP, GLOBAL PROGRAMS	508,138
ANGELA PLOHMAN	COO, SECRETARY & TREASURER	452,234
ASHLEY BOYD	SVP, GLOBAL ADVOCACY	427,701
ZHILUN PANG	DIRECTOR OF FINANCE	273,069
DAVID WALKER	SENIOR COUNSEL	268,565
LAINIE DECOURSY	DIRECTOR, ORG EFFECTIVENESS	267,028
JUAN BARANI	SENIOR DIRECTOR, GIFT PLANNING	262,879
STEPHANIE WRIGHT	SR PROGRAM MANAGER, MOZFEST	236,785

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

too much money but, mozilla does a lot more that firefox… (see also: rust

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Honestly I could care less about CEO salaries or company politics. I care about the service they provide. In this case the service is bad.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A better graph would compare salary to revenue and inflation

You can gain users while losing market share

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

The recently former CEO, Mitchell Baker, made almost 7 million! It had increased exponentially in recent years

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Probably not a coincidence that the share plummets around the same time as the smartphone explosion.

I’d be curious to see just desktop browsers, to see how much there’s really an exodus of Firefox users vs. new devices being added that restrict third-party browsers.

Also salary should be inflation-adjusted.

Neither probably changes the graph too much though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean the graph starts in 09, and Chrome launched in 08. I assume that did more to them, but both were probably notable.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Right, Firefox has the same situation with Chrome on mobile, as it had with Internet Explorer in Desktop.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You know what else coincides with 2009? Google Chrome's release- a browser by a company with far more resources. I'm absolutely not a supporter of CEO pay going up in general- this post is just incredibly lazy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

The decline started much earlier than the increase of salary

It couldnt be connected even if there was no other reason

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Does it make sense for a CEO to be paid more while the business they manage dwindles?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In a vacuum, no- but we all know life is more complicated than this chart. For example, how do they compare to the market rate of other CEOs? Are they increasing profitability (something marketshare alone doesn't say)? I'm not just gonna say "lower ceo pay = problem solved"- we have to do better. CEO pay is a systemic problem and needs a systemic solution- imo it should be capped across the spectrum or based on lowest employee pay but I'm sure I'm in the minority

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The situation is always more complicated than a single graph can represent. Which is why I'm taking this in consideration with other context, and it's solidifying my impression that Mozilla is failing and I need to find a firefox alternative before they shit it up further chasing money to pay their CEO a ridiculously inflated "market rate". What good is some theoretical increased profitability (they're a non-profit!) if all it does is serve to further inflate already inflated compensation packages?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There is no Firefox alternative. There is Firefox and there is Chrome. Everything else is just a fancy reskin of either one of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

firefox is not gecko, but yeah there is a depressing lack of viable alternatives

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Without Firefox there is no Gecko

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I dont feel the post is saying the two are correlated, more so simply that despite Firefox doing worse year over year, the CEOs compensation continues to rise.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

As much as I’m opposed to Mozilla CEOs paying out absurd amounts, we still have to acknowledge that Mozilla has way more revenue streams nowadays than they had a few years ago.

So a sinking market share of one of their (free and open source) products doesn’t mean that the company is making less money overall.

Especially because a sinking market share doesn’t mean there are less users. This graph doesn’t reflect the exponential adoption of smartphones and tablets on which most users just use the preinstalled browser (eg Chrome and Safari).

So the user base is probably still similiar in size or even bigger, but the number of devices just exploded due to smartphones beeing adopted by a broad audience in markets like Asia and Africa.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

Users on just desktop has been shrinking too, despite more people using computers in general https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In other words, the marketshare isn't tied to the ceo? I don't see the point in putting that out there without any context, like is lowering the ceo's compensation supposed to magically give Mozilla more market? Do they want a new ceo? How much is Mozilla making? What's the end goal? Right now they're competing with Microsoft and Google- it's not exactly fair competition.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's just indicative of where their priorities lie. Dude's compensation is like 3.5% of their total development budget. Meanwhile they're being absolutely dominated by their competitors. Maybe instead of working on their golden parachutes, they should focus more on not being obliterated in the next 24-48 months.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Totally! How dare OP post some visual data without having detailed plans about how to solution a company's various business issues. Super lazy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

This is precisely how I read it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Is the same thing all management does in companies, fill pockets, if possible keep this the same or just let them die, run away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Use resume to acquire new CEO job citing experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How much is the Duck Duck Go CEO earning?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

DDG is a private company. Mozilla is nominally a nonprofit but clearly is not running itself like one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Mozilla is a company with a non profit branch

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

No, Mozilla Foundation is a nonprofit owning a for profit corporation also called Mozilla. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Foundation

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He is obviously way too highly paid by an insane amount, but where are these people going? There's no way they're all going to Chrome, right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Chrome, Safari, Edge (which is chromium anyways).

According to this 3x as many people use Opera over Firefox when it comes to phone usage worldwide. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/mobile/worldwide

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lowest position pays 2M roubles a month?! Are they selling cocaine?!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

ad-free cocaine, yeah.

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