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[–] [email protected] 152 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I had a shower thought the other day that if more CEOs were shot dead, there'd probably be less Return to Office.

People are sometimes like "oh but violence is bad!" but ignore all the casual harms inflicted on people by capitalism and friends.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

The (attitude) Adjuster goes blam.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago (3 children)

They also ignore all the freedom of the lower classes which was won through violence against the upper class.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

They also ignore literally all of human history when they say shit like that. Hell even the civil rights movement only worked because of Malcolm X's threat of violence.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nah CEOs will mandate RTO for workers while they themselves stay remote.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

They can be killed in their homes, too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

So no change?

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago

Meanwhile Accenture has 1400:1 CEO-to-worker pay ratio.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m in management now but I say go get ‘em please.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago (3 children)

most management I would assume would be with the workers. If your not c suite your nothing.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Tech is a bit different because a significant portion of your compensation comes as stock when you get higher up the ladder but yeah.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Stock options and grants are a tool to trick you into accepting lower pay and conflating your interests with those of the capital class. (Speaking as someone who has received both!)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah I'm speaking from experience here in that about a third of my pay is in stock.

I wouldn't say my pay is low though, for what it's worth.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah I would say that is high enough but its pretty up there for stock to be all that significant.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Fingers and toes crossed, get'em for every last penny!

[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

luck is not gonna help. Only action and organizing can save us. Join a union too.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I would if I lived in a place which had such movements, believe me... As it is, all I can do is wish for Lady Luck to smile upon those who have the chance! Sure, it's a bad idea to bank everything on luck, but it can never hurt to have some on your side!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

where do you live? The tech workers movement is reaching pretty much everywhere there's tech production.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Romania. There haven't been any significant developments in this sense around here, at least not as far as I know. Each company around here has a Wagers' Rep of sorts and they gather with other such Reps and discuss wage related stuff, but it's nowhere near as elaborate as a Union, nor has it ever felt significant in any relevant way.

Most people have kinda'... given up on this country. Everyone scrambles to eject themselves abroad as soon as humanly possible. Can't say I blame'em.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you aware that Romanian IT sector has the highest rate of unionization of any IT sector in the world? SITT is a case study studied all over the world. https://transform-network.net/blog/interview/the-romanian-it-workers-labour-union-showed-that-everyone-can/

It might not be the sexiest, most modern radical union, but it is a case of success with numbers to show. Maybe you can start from there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Huh, I honestly had no idea, thank you! I'll certainly start looking into it! Perfect timing, too, quit my job so I could focus on trying to get into stuff like this!

I sure hope the fact that it isn't common knowledge (at least not among most of the people with whom I've worked during the past decade) is down to them being effective and not it being a hopeless cause, though... Speaking from personal experience (and I leave room for doubt because I have notoriously bad luck in general), it sure didn't feel all that grand working in this industry. Not about the work in itself, but the practices...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much anywhere outside the USA, the communication of tech workers unionizing is pretty much absent and expecially news about it. This is a big deal, but it doesn't say much about the actual penetration of unions in a given sector. It's a complex topic, but I explain it with the fact that the topic is pretty much uninteresting, unless it's a well-known brand is unionizing. Since most famous tech companies are American, there's enough mass of news there to actually push media outlets to cover news.

In Italy, where there are very few "well-known" IT companies, the topic is completely absent, to the point where IT union organizers from a city don't know about big wins by other IT unions organizers from another city. Nonetheless the narrative is not the thing, and there can be big impacts that become visible to the general public only after sociological studies.

So, long-story short, the fact you never heard about SITT doesn't say much about its effectiveness, just about their ability to communicate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That is an interesting point, and I actually think I could help with this! I do very much like getting people with needs in touch with people with solutions!

Sincerely, thank you! I'm managing my expectations, but you sparked a bit of enthusiasm in me! Here's hoping I can help in some way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Go for it. If you want to look for a very good example of union communication, look up "More Perfect Union". Very American, but it shows a way to bring union news to people in a cool way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Resources, too, the whole kit and kaboodle! Again, really can't thank you enough!

On a side and completely personal note, I can't describe the big, fat smile I'd wear on my face if I could call myself a Union rep:))

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

if it happens, or simply if you get more involved into Romanian unions, reach out to me. I organize events to connect tech workers organizing interionationally, so we might do something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

That is most gracious, and it would be an awesome response to globalisation! Heck, it would only make sense to globalise Unions as well!

Thank you! I'll keep you updated in case I strike gold! And even if it doesn't work out for me, I'll ask around and I'll drop you deets for whomever proves relevant!

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