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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The feds are actually disturbingly fair about this. You can deduct your legal fees as a business expense.

wikipedia excerpt


While embezzlers, thieves, and the like are forced to report their illegally acquired income for tax purposes, they may also take deductions for costs relating to criminal activity. For example, in Commissioner v. Tellier, a taxpayer was found guilty of engaging in business activities that violated the Securities Act of 1933.[8] The taxpayer subsequently deducted the legal fees he spent while defending himself.[8] The U.S. Supreme Court held that the taxpayer was allowed to deduct the legal fees from his gross income because they meet the requirements of §162(a),[9] which allows the taxpayer to deduct all the "ordinary and necessary expenses paid or incurred during the taxable year in carrying on a trade or business."[10] The Court reasoned (and the Internal Revenue Service did not contest the point) that it was ordinary and necessary for a person engaged in a business to expect to have legal fees associated with that business, even though such things may only happen once in a lifetime.[9] Therefore, the taxpayer in Tellier was allowed to deduct his legal fees from his gross income, even though he incurred the fees because of his crime. The U.S. Supreme Court in Tellier reiterated that the purpose of the tax code was to tax net income, not punish unlawful behavior.[11] The Court suggested that if this was not the case, Congress would change the tax code to include special tax rules for illegal conduct

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What about legally questionable activities? You know, from things that aren't exactly crimes, but sure look like it? Asking for a friend

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If you’re making money off of it Uncle Sam wants his cut.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If you’re making money off of it Uncle Sam wants his cut.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If they’re not illegal then you’ve got nothing to worry about how it looks, and you probably wouldn’t need to ask.

So I’d be really sure about the legality part, it sounds like you may possibly be engaging in a little personal ambiguity regarding the facts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That's a great question. We can help you with that, but first we'll need a few more details. 👀

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

TL;DR- if you do this you are foolish and you are going to get fucked, probably forcefully in prison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can not find it. Maybe I am blind, but where in that article does it say the CRA reports criminal activity to the Department of Justice?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is a picture about the IRS, not the CRA. Also parallel construciton is a US law to fuck over its citizens, I'm not sure what the equivalent of Canada's version is. However it says that any info obtained by any regulatory body can be shared with law enforcement of any kind and they don't have to tell you that's how they obtained the information.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hobbies are tough to take deductions on. They want you to form an official business to take all the deductions. Report that income though, garage sales, Facebook market and the like as well.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's cool if you return it at the end of the year that you don't have to pay taxes on it. You could steal something, use it to make more money, and then return it. This avoids paying any kinda sales taxes when you took it. And since inventory is taxed you wouldn't have to pay on that.

Someone could exploit this. Make a fake company that steals from the real company, returns the property at the end of the year.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically, if you intend to return it eventually, it's not theft.

Theft, under the common law of England, as brought to the U.S., is the deprivation of personal property of another with the intention to permanently deprive them of it. If you don't have that intent, it's not theft. That's why we have "joyriding" and "grand theft auto" as separate things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Is there anything about the exact definition of permanent? I mean, otherwise I could just include the items in my will and refer to that.

"All items that have been subject to lending with one sided consent shall be returned to its respective owners at the end of my life."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Would have gotten away with it to if it hadn't been for you meddling kids

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Sort of a Ponzi scheme before it comes crashing down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wonder if this would work lol

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My first job was at a place called Cybo Robots in Indianapolis. The R&D department there created something that iRobot turned into the Roomba, when they bought the company. The entire point of the company was to lose money as a tax write off. The owner owned several other profitable companies, and needed a money sink so that he could get out of paying taxes, so he created Cybo Robots.

My point here is that not only could someone exploit this, they already are in multiple ways.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Yeah, they say this shit but hide the addendum forms like five layers deep in a FAQ link tree. And don't even get me started on the forms you need if you steal drugs. Like, holy shit. I hate to be a bureaucan't, but somethings gotta change

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

You need to take a sensible deduction.

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
  • me: I stole a bike.
  • owner: Plz, gov, help me get it back.
  • me: Here, my income taxes.
  • gov: Yup. We're all goood. Bye.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
  • owner: wtf gov
  • gov: try another gov
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