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[Message from blahaj.zone] Neopronouns are not trolling (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20091173

I've been waiting until after Christmas day to make this post, but some of our communities recently have had a lot of noise and upset over someone that uses neopronouns that most people are unfamiliar with.

So I want to make this clear. A persons pronouns are to be respected. This is true when the user is using neopronouns that you're unfamiliar with. It's true even if you think someone is trolling. Pronouns are not rewards for good behaviour. They aren't only to be respected when you like the person you're interacting with, or if their pronouns "make sense" to you. Trolls, spammers, twitter users, it doesn't matter who they are, your options are to respect their pronouns, or to not engage with them.

I really want to re-iterate the importance of this. Gender diverse folk are undermined, invalidated and questioned at every step of our lives. As a community, we need to be working to undo that, not creating more of it, and that means there is no space for treating pronouns (including neopronouns) as a reward for good behaviour.

This isn't a free reign for trolls and spammers. The rules still apply. Trolling, spamming, etc will continue to be dealt with, but it's not an excuse to act as if respecting someones pronouns is optional.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Thank fuck my native language doesn’t have gendered pronouns. I just use they for everything, much simpler that way.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I did not realize that typing exclusively in third-person, and pushing something that is obviously kink-related onto internet strangers was umm... not trolling?

I feel like the troll that does this gives people who fantasize about dragons a bad name, not to mention people who use neopronouns, for various non-trolling reasons, that usually hold some kind of personal meaning. Expression is complicated, but holy goddamn bollucks, third-person shitposting to try to bait people who didn't read a bio into "misgendering" bans is asinine and takes validity from people who could use it. I don't see how any mods have gone along with this "muh third-person antagonistic ranting means victimhood" shit.

Whatever tho, I guess every individual user is supposed to independently block an asshat who tells people to commit suicide, because they are so very super-special.... I hope this place doesn't get tossed into dot world over this, ugh.

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I'm going to go consume alcohol and definitely ~~not~~ look at cute/sexy kobalds to cope. Feel free to DM me for info on the nature of creatures outside the scope of waking reality, if you are brave enough.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Whatever tho, I guess every individual user is supposed to independently block an asshat who tells people to commit suicide,

The message clearly and categorically states the rules still apply, and that behaviour is what gets actioned. Literally nothing about the post says that someone using neopronouns is otherwise exempt from the rules. If someone is telling someone to kill themselves, report it or DM it to a community mod.

[+] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

well see i belive in my brain (biological) that im kitty so therefore im still valid in ur terms :3

(also gender can be independant from anything biological meows)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I think the binary form of gender is a social construct, but the entire spectrum of gender identity has a biological basis because you can change aspects of people’s gender by affecting them on a physiological basis, like with hormones etc. Identity expression isn’t always related to gender or biology, I think, and it doesn’t have to be.

Oh, to be clear, just because you believe in something doesn’t mean it has the same biological implications as gender identity. I hope I am not being rude or anything :3

And yes, you’re a good kitty, Max head pat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Great! Definitely have my respect for standing up to gatekeeping. Gatekeeping has no place in a trans community. Be who you want. Anyone telling you you can't should be luigi'd to somewhere more fitting them. Allies not enemies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Most of the time I don't ask people their pronouns in public I just tend to use "they/them" until I overhear someone saying their actual pronouns then'll use them.

As for here on Lemmy I just look at their pronouns in the bio or just don't use pronouns at all in my comments.

I respect everyone and if I make a mistake that's okay and I'll refer to them with the correct pronouns.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I'm seeing a lot of downvotes on this post, if you feel you disagree, feel free to send me a DM.

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