TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

That was an allegory??? (/s)

cough mark of gideon cough

Hey, i'm an old fart and guess how many times i heard people say that exact same shit about TNG? The pussy version of trek, nothing like its predecessor, all they do is talk about their emotions!

Because that's what you had to do to get past the executives and the censors in the 1960s.

Just like how "Last Train to Clarksville" is about Vietnam.

And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn't have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn't have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.

She thought about leaving because she didn't feel like her character got to do enough - a common sentiment of supporting actors.

You didn't mention the best modern Trek show.

McCoy was racist as shit and would not only have been cashiered, he probably would have been charged for hate speech

The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other

And there will be things that are being created today that's considered progressive that in 20 years, will be considered as missing the mark.

McCoy called Spock "green-blooded" on multiple occasions - and once a "hobgoblin". And I would call the Vulcan penchant for logic a cultural trait, not neurodiversity.

You should see the episode when a woman body swapped with Kirk, and how the Enterprise crew suspected something was wrong

There will never come a time in which we have everything figured out.

The only issue disco has ever actually had is their serialized episodes. People hate on the other shit cause they're bigots. Its still good Trek. The story is just less flexible.

I quite agree STD wasn’t everyone’s favourite, in any case it wasn’t mine, although I really tried. But whining about it being woke was just stupid.

Saying discovery is woke with their crew split in two parts, the queer ones all packed together and then the "normal" ones, seems like a stretch.

The gay couple basically adopts the non binary one who is in a couple with the trans one, are friends with the gay engineer, but barely even talk to the rest of the crew? Ah and sex scenes between straight people but the most the gay couple gets is sitting next to each other, brushing teeth and a small kiss (not that it's a bad thing on its own, it forced the writing to actually show a relationship and not just a bunch of sex, which is positive)

It’s not like DISCO flaunted around saying “we don’t hate gay people in this ship.”

Well, after DS 9 it would just be repetitive. Also TNG spent a few episodes on this exact point, but it wasn't a main topic.

But people tend to focus their complains about things being "preachy" when those things put the preach above the story-telling. DISCO absolutely had this flaw in some point or another. Never for very long, though, so it really wasn't a main characteristic. Anyway, when a show is simply good, almost nobody gets bothered by the preaching.