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A community for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

This made me far more angry than your frying pan, just gotta say.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Aww I'm glad I stir your emotions sweet friend.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

So you turn on the lights, get your coffee and read your newspaper/browse your phone until someone else is actually there.

Then you do the same thing once you are the only person left.

Congratulations. Flipping on and off lightswitches is the shittiest metric a company can seek and is evidence of bad management.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

It's stock-in-trade Boomerism. As though the social contract hadn't already been obliterated by parasitical corporations and rampant nepotism and Peter-Principled middle management.

To say nothing of the capability trap that most large corps are in, after a decade plus of finance junkying themselves into a hole, because free debt was more profitable than their actual business ventures.

Fuck these zombies. Let them implode- the way an actual free market demands.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

Not just on the Americas side of the pond, apparently.

I'm applying for dozens and dozens of jobs right now in the UK, so I expect to get plenty of rejection emails, but today, Monday, two days before Christmas, 11 rejection emails so far, which is a record (I'm not upset, I am aware I will get far more rejections than interviews). Obviously people are working like crazy to get everything done right before Christmas, but I thought at least the UK was more relaxed on this stuff. You really couldn't wait until January to send out rejection emails? Gotta grind right up to Christmas?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So if the same person is opening and closing, what is everyone else doing? If you're going to saddle one employee with an important duty, you better have adequate compensation and opportunities.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago

It wants you to be a janitor?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 22 hours ago

Fuck you. Pay me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Stop trying to make fetch happen

[–] [email protected] 30 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Hahahaha talk about corporate propaganda. I feel sorry for the poor schlub that reads this and is like "yeah, I'm gonna do that".

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I turn the lights on in the morning and make coffee. Because I'm the only one that knows how to make coffee that doesn't taste like dirty water. Has nothing to do with work ethic and everything to do with coffee.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Fresh filter, water, and more than 3 kernels of coffee grounds?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 21 hours ago

I turn the lights on in the morning because "lmao I'm off at 3 to beat the traffic, suckers".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Thank thee for thy works, thou serv’st our Dark Lord well.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

"Should we promote Bob?"

"Hell no, he's the only one here who does any work! We need him right where he is!"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Cries in Bob.

That said I'm a Bob who loves what I do and gets paid handsomely for it so que sera sera.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

This is not satire.

It's called being pigeon holed and that shit is real depending on your company. Some hard workers get promoted some just get more work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

making yourself irreplaceable cuts both ways, sadly enough.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Indeed it is not.

I once worked at the new office of a company that just opened in the state, one of the first who was doing the job while the construction workers were still terminating wires and tacking up drywall. When a new supervisory position was created, all of my coworkers assumed I’d be the first one picked but I was told my experience and wisdom would be better served on the job and teaching new hires the ropes.

Didn’t take long before I stopped giving a shit about promotions and left for a different company soon after. Telling someone their hard work has been rewarded with more work and not more money for rent is a good way to drain the motivation right out of people you manage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Before I go on, your comment is valid and I fully agree with you. I am not saying this is the case with you, but presenting the other side of the coin. Just because you're the highest performer at a position does not mean you're necessarily the best fit for a promotion. I work with plenty of people who were promoted for being the hardest workers. They are now managers who flounder because they cannot work hard to impress. They need to lead a team of hard workers, which requires a different set of traits than being a hard worker yourself. My manager when I started was promoted for being the hardest worker. That was all she knew how to do. She could not lead people. Couldn't give constructive criticism, could not take constructive criticism. Any idea that was not her idea was not a good idea. Wanted to rule with an iron fist and feel important, but could not do anything that would actually get her there. Extremely hard worker though, and the work she did do was on point. Just could not lead a team. It's shitty, but it's the truth.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

Yeah djuwanowat, figure it out.

— Wayne

[–] [email protected] 26 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I managed an auto parts warehouse with a small fleet of delivery drivers, I was the one with the code to the alarm and they keys to everything. Sometimes if I had trouble sleeping or was a bit hungover from imbibing too much I’d sleep in and roll up to the shop around 9-10 instead of 7. Not a single one of my employees ever had an issue with starting the day later and I didn’t care about them leaving early to pick up kids or whatever. Long as you show up and shit gets done I’m putting the same hours on all your paychecks anyways

[–] [email protected] 14 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

We work a lot of hard, long hours in my field. Occasionally I get a fuck off easy job but that's only when business is slow. I'm the lead tech on every job. I also have a bad problem waking up in the morning. Despite being fully sober and getting at least 7 hours of sleep, I sleep through my alarms which are incredibly loud and annoying, and they're set 5 minutes apart for two hours. Guys who know me know that they can go in, do their work, and if I'm late I let them go early by the amount of time I am late. I'm often finishing the job by myself at night.

That's ok though. That's the way the world should work. I'm not a morning person. Waking up is literally the worst thing that happens to me every day barring tragedies or serious injuries. It's so much worse in the winter too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

I would rather sustain the injuries than to wake up half the time, regardless of how much or little sleep I've gotten. I feel your pain. Genetic night watchmen unite! Whichever morning person decided the world should exist 9-5 should be dragged into the street and shot.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago

"Work extra hours so that your boss is sure to notice how ready you are to give head."

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago

I've learned to be the one to turn the lights off. It pisses the boss off but ensures everyone knows the shift is over

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shit when im the first one in, i leave the lights off. Then i get mad at the person who eventually turns them on. If i have to be in that early, i dont also want to be miserable from the bright lights

[–] [email protected] 49 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

“Why are you sitting here in the dark?”

Uhh, my computer is lit up and I can hear the damn fluorescent lights when I’m sitting there alone, piss off and let me drink my coffee in peace.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I knew a guy who kept his office dark except for a little desk lamp. He said he preferred cold and darkness. One time when we all walked to a group lunch in below freezing weather, I was shivering in my down jacket and he had shorts and an aloha shirt. Freaking reptile!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

His chair is just a boulder.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Lol what a brown noser

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If I saw one of my employees being the first one in the office turning on the lights as well as the last one turning them off, I'd see that as a problem.

I'd talk to that worker and first ask why they were doing this as I'd be concerned that they may be having trouble at home (and were using work as an escape). I'd want to find out if there was anything they needed to help their home situation. When you manage people, their home problems become your problems. The corollary to this is that a solution for a personal home problem can become a solution to a workplace problem. I had one worker that had difficulty at work because they didn't have working laundry facilities which affected them wearing presentable clothing at work. I bought them a new laundry appliance for $500 and had it delivered. After that they were always dressed presentably at work. This was a very good worker otherwise, and this fixed the work problem as well as helped them at home in their personal life.

If they communicated they believed the "first in, last out" was their understanding of the work expectation, I'd correct them on that immediately. One of my favorite phrases to use at work are "There are days I might have to ask you to stay later. This is not that day. There's nothing urgent that can't wait for tomorrow. Go home early." (these are salary folks, so they're not losing money by leaving early).

If they communicated they were overworked, I'd work with them on the tasks to make sure they were only getting assigned a reasonable workload. This may mean hiring another worker, or eliminating tasks that don't produce a meaningful result to the company to make sure the workload would be reasonable.

Requiring your workers to be "butts in seats" (mine are WFH anyway) simply to be tick a box is the fastest way to lose your best people as it is disrespectful of their skills and their effort. Further, well rested workers (mentally and physically) perform far better than exhausted and stressed ones.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry but this 9 hour comment could have been a paragraph. Your one of those bosses who believes their words are more important than everyone else’s arent ya

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

This is a manager ethic that probably gets you too much loyalty and effective people. Bleugh. Who needs that? ;-)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

When you have nothing in you life but your job, are you even living at all? At the very least not a life that is worth living IMHO

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I have work ethic.

If work pays me the bare minimum then i will match them in-kind. It's only fair.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Good luck to those wageslaves. I just do the bare minimum, I don't earn extra for going "above and beyond", nor doing so would increase my likelihood of being promoted.

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