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Did... did I just slide to a parallel universe? Do I get to meet Jerry O'Connell? What the hell is going on?!

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 21 hours ago

Bannon is an anger salesmen. Anger salesmen don't sell you somene else's anger, though -- they can't. Instead, they package up your own anger, and sell it back to you.

Bannon sees the the reaction people are habing to CEOs right now, slapping a big ol' bow on it, and selling it back to people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago

He's talking about California and New York. You know, kind of like they did when Trump was president last time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 52 points 22 hours ago

I’ll tell you wants going on. He is saying the quiet part out loud.

He is admitting that conservatives have always known what would make the country better but refused to admit it, instead have always played “dumb” by claiming their free market and deregulation approach is what they honestly believe is best for the country.

I might be reading too much into it but imo this shows that decades of democrats playing fair and true to the process is why we got here. Because selfish people realized that they can take advantage of the benefit of the doubt and just ruin the government while pretending they don’t know any better.

Pretty evil, more than I actually expected from him tbh.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

But what does President Musk think about raising taxes on the rich?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

Our taxes should be paid directly to Musk instead of going through the government.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago

I fully can see him being the type that makes an exception for himself and totally screws over his billionaire peers.

He doesn’t look like someone that would get along with his peers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Bannon might be a piece of shit, but he knows everyone else is too, and isn't afraid to talk bluntly and openly about it.

Something tells me that, if the white house was on fire, he'd be laughing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago

With a cabinet made of billionaires?

Yeah ok what else you want us to smoke

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

What the fuck did I just read?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

It won’t happen. He’s sayin this to avoid getting shot

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Rule of Acquisition #76: Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

especially if they start squealing.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

They have no principles. They believe nothing except what is politically expedient. They will say this, do the opposite, and insist their plan worked. Don’t play along, consistency is only relevant for people acting in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"four months in prison and he's already starting to sound like a god damn liberal. we should ban prisons before more people are indoctrinated by the left."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

There's really no limit to using this kind of logic in this manner. They've been conditioned to accept any reasoning as long as it's presented as anti-woke or along those lines. If Trump said exactly what you did Republicans would be lining up to abolish the private prison system the next day.

[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"This is a 1932-type realignment, if we do this right,” Bannon explained. “Look at the demographics that got us here – black, Hispanic, white, working class, all of it. If we deliver for these people, and I mean deliver in a big way economically, then this is a coalition that could last for 50 years.”

He added that loyalty to “crony capitalism” and “tax breaks for the corporations” could “squander” a unique moment in history.

Making the economy better is how Hitler got into power too. The irony in saying this could be a 1932 style realignment is not lost on me. Trump has also said he wants to go after his political opponents and put them in prison. Also something Hitler did.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago

None of this matters. Bannon is still useful to the media when they want a headline but he doesn't have enough influence with Trump to actually action anything like this anyways. Trump's cabinet is nothing but billionaires lol.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

To expand on this for the unaware: Hitler came back into power for his second term in 1932. His first term, similar to trumps, was rife with turmoil and political/administrative blunders. One of the first things he did, upon returning to power, was a German version of The New Deal. They massively invested in their country's infrastructure and provided tens of millions of jobs for the young working class, who had been suffering the worst unemployment crisis in an age. For the first time in their lives, young Germans had good jobs (with great benefits) and were contributing towards building a better, cleaner, safer Germany, all facilitated by "the national socialist party". This was the part of nazi history that actually included socialism, and it's how the nazi party duped an entire generation into becoming their foot soldiers. They actually delivered substantive, positive change for the people, allowed people to get comfortable with the new status quo while they further built propaganda machines, then turned that status quo into a carrot on a stick. Young nazi's were very fearful of a backslide, so when nazi propaganda started saying all these bad people were trying to take away their newfound financial freedom, it was very easy to convince these young, relatively ignorant, working class people to "defend" the country they proudly built with their own hands.

If the GOP did a 180° on all of their economic policy, of the last 60+ years, to follow a similar story arc, I would be extremely concerned. With how down-trodden our 3 youngest generations are, the conditions for an American copy of nazi Germany couldn't be more perfect than they are right now.

I'm not a historian. I just read a book on this subject recently. Feel free to correct or add to anything I got wrong/missed!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I'd be interested to hear which book this was!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

If they flipped on their last 60 years of policy though... I'd be much happier with the status quo though. A new new deal and a thriving economy that helps the working class would be great. It would give far fewer issues that we need to address at once. Shit, if you got them flipped, since Republicans tend to fall in line they'll take it as a win and celebrate it as they believed he would be good the entire time ignoring all of his policies changing. And it lands the Republicans left of the Democrats. Meaning when the Democrats lean towards the pubs to get voters .. they'll be moving left as well. If we somehow got healthcare and fair wages and taxation better through this... Then we only have to focus on ensuring they don't subjugate populations like minorities, and get policing under control which all would be easier with a thriving economy and workforce. Less people are scared when more people are doing well. Whether someone is racist or not, the stereotypes become harder to push on people. A few other huge things like climate change, but with high taxes on the rich pushes companies to invest their money into their companies to avoid paying those taxes which in turn will churn out good things. (Either more quality, efficiency, research and expansion). Maybe we could finally catch up on battery tech and secure our own energy sources and grid for the future. That would be a great way to put America to work. Building an upgraded grid with storage and modularity for natural disasters.

Don't get my hopes up on this shit just to

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The difference being that the Nazis were often competent people, and there was not the same massive base of crony capitalism with its fingers firmly enmeshed around every single area of government like there is in the US currently.

I won’t say it’s impossible, and I think they might be able to leverage social media to construct the exact same mass movement of loyal followers with the exact same horrifying results, but I don’t think the type of economic populism that did it for the Reich is feasible for the MAGA people to pull off. Definitely not with Trump at the helm.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Nazi leadership was not competent.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

I mean, they took over the country and then more than half of Europe. Hitler fought in the infantry and wrote a whole book. I'm not saying they were geniuses and some parts were a pure clown show, especially after Hitler took over for real, but Trump literally just shuffles around shitting in his pants and doing whatever the last person who talked to him convinced him is a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

He’s talking about FDR not Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

One would like to think so. The problem is that imagining a right-wing Republican willing to jackboot some motherfuckers is easy; imagining one who wants to out-FDR FDR? Come on.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

He’s definitely talking about Hitler. He might have FDR in mind for reasons of plausible deniability.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Thank you, this is the real lesson to take away from this, not some bass-ackwards universe shift again.

Edit: Stray thought about this again, this is why right wing populism is both effective at getting elected and devastating on countries as it shifts to fascism. Appeal to the masses while conspiring to retain power and increase wealth accumulation at the top.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago

And just like that, Steve Bannon learned about all the structures of liberal democracy that have thus far been stopping crony capitalism from squishing him like a worm on the sidewalk.

There’s a reason he isn’t hosting his little podcast in Russia or Algeria. He’s not 1% of strong enough to survive without the cushy protection afforded to white men in America who are broadly aligned with the rich people.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago
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