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I have been thinking a lot since the election about what could explain the incredibly high numbers of Americans who seem incapable of critical thinking, or really any kind of high level rational thought or analysis.

Then I stumbled on this post https://old.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/16ires5/lead_exposure_from_shooting_is_a_much_more/

Which essentially explains that “Shooting lead bullets at firing ranges results in elevated BLLs at concentrations that are associated with a variety of adverse health outcome"

I looked at the pubmed abstract in that Reddit post and also this one https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5289032/

Which states, among other things, “Workers exposed to lead often show impaired performance on neurobehavioral test involving attention, processing, speed, visuospatial abilities, working memory and motor function. It has also been suggested that lead can adversely affect general intellectual performance.”

Now, given that there are well in excess of 300 million guns in the United States, is it possible lead exposure at least partially explains how brain dead many Americans seem to be?

This is a genuine question not a troll and id love to read some evidence to the contrary if any is available

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

what could explain the incredibly high numbers of Americans who seem incapable of critical thinking

Garbage education system.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

100%. It's been intentionally neutered to keep people ignorant and stupid in their decisions.

It's 'razing of the library of Alexandria' bad for our near future. The only thing worse I can think of is plastic pollution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Leaded gas wasn't fully stopped until 1996. Still in some aviation used (piston plane engines).

But yes I wonder about shooting ranges too. I think a couple times a year at an indoor range isn't insignificant.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

As an outsider (most people in my country don't shoot guns for fun, but we still have our fair share of morons) I think not educating oneself/not being educated may be a more important cause.

My personal opinion is that it's more related to the way people spend (waste) their time. All of us, I mean. The way we (do not) educate ourselves, the way we do (not) value intelligence and knowledge.

  • How many people shoot guns? vs How many don't ever read a book (a difficult one, I mean, say one essay a year)? or How many students reach university level without having read a single book? FFS, if that doesn't ring an alarm bell...
  • How many people are (not) being taught how to have heated but articulated discussions, in the literal sense of debating against someone, having a dispute with someone, while still being able to not want to kill one another?
  • How many people are willing to be told (and willing to admit that) they were wrong... when they were?

That lack of education and an overall cheerful ignorance of all facts that dare not fit their viewpoint, no matter which one it is, seems to me a much more likely cause to explain why more and more people around the world (not just Americans) 'seem cognitively impaired'. And that's because, well, they are. Sadly.

We don't value knowledge anymore, we value money and success. Once again, suffice to ask people: how many essays did you read in the last 12 months? Or to look at kids, how many of them want to be, say, a doctor, a scientist of some sort or, even funnier, a writer? And how many want to become 'an influencer' on YT (or TikTok, or whatever) or to become some star singer or sport star?

Kids have not suddenly become allergic to smartness. They're only the mirror of what our real values as a society are (not the ones we pretend to have). Which are not being smart, not even talented as a matter of fact. They are: easy money and success.

imho, this is the main cause of dumbification going on everywhere. Obviously, I may be wrong and maybe I should stop eating lead bars as a snack?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I didn’t mean to suggest that it was the only explanation, rather that it might help explain some of the phenomenon of the lack of critical thinking that seems so prevalent in america these days, while also sort of flying under the radar as I don’t really notice people talking about it.

There has always been an anti-intellectual portion of the population but it seems to be expanding rather than contracting over time, whatever the reasons.

That Atlantic article is pretty crazy, I didn’t realize the kids these days don’t read books basically at all in school anymore.

Here’s an archive link for anybody else who wants to check it out since its paywalled

https://archive.is/xr5Jd

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

iirc most spectacular form of neurotoxic damage really only shows years later if lead exposure happened during childhood which also means that little effect will be seen immediately after cleaning up lead but will show up 20 years later or so. that's still leaded gasoline and maybe paint and water pipes to some degree

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh that’s interesting, and I hadn’t really thought of that, so even if there is some percentage of the population suffering the cognitive impairments associated with the adverse effects of lead, it’s probably more likely that they were exposed many years or decades ago vs recently

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I may be mistaken, but there was talk years ago about regulating lead bullets. They were to switch to steel ones and it caused a whole story about ammunition becoming more expensive and started a run on lead bullets. If true, wile there would be this collected leads ammo, steel would be more prolific. But there could be some other contaminate in shooting, or some other reason. But i fear that this is more of a problem of the human condition then any outside factor

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or, you know, the lead that we put into the air for decades burning leaded gasoline...

Even though we've (mostly) stopped doing that, the effects are cumulative, and there are still plenty of people alive who were around when that was still a thing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Somebody else in the comments said something very similar, I’lll paraphrase what I responded which is that I hadn’t really thought of that, and I’m starting now to come around to the notion that maybe even if there is some percentage of the population suffering the cognitive impairments associated with the adverse effects of lead, it’s probably more likely that they were exposed many years or decades ago vs recently

[–] [email protected] 205 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think far more people are exposed to lead in water than from guns. Even gun-owning Americans don't go to the range that often.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

That’s a good point, especially the fact the most people who own guns don’t shoot them that often, but re: lead in the water, hasn’t the issue of lead in water become less significant over time?

This post by New York City government states that actually construction work is the most common source of lead exposure for people in the city, followed by sketchy consumer products. https://a816-dohbesp.nyc.gov/IndicatorPublic/data-stories/adult-lead/#%3A%7E%3Atext=This+continued+drop+in+blood%2Cair%2C+paint+and+consumer+products.

Maybe just generally we’re not taking the adverse cognitive effects of lead exposure, whatever the source, seriously enough?

Edit: someone else in the comments made the connection between the high numbers of lead water pipes in Florida and the “Florida man” phenomenon. Maybe lead in the water is still way more significant of an issue than I thought

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Also bear in mind that leaded gas was the norm til the mid 90s, so a lot of boomers and Gen X were exposed

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