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For the last two years, a small "skunkworks" at the Ford Motor Company has been working on a low-cost electric vehicle platform, according to Ford CEO Jim Farley. Farley revealed the existence of this new platform during the automaker's quarterly financial results call with investors on Tuesday evening. The company is rethinking its electrification strategy, having now faced up to the reality that the current crop of EVs are too expensive for mass-market adoption to take off.

Ford was early to market with its Mustang Mach-E crossover, itself the product of a skunkworks-style development process: an internal group called Team Edison, formed to add some excitement to what was originally going to be a more boring compliance car. The team also took the bold step of making a fully electric version of the country's bestselling vehicle, the F-150 pickup truck.

Demand for the electric F-150 Lightning appeared strong, but a series of price hikes has resulted in really expensive trucks languishing on dealer forecourts and Ford cutting production shifts to reduce output. The Mustang Mach-E is still selling, although with barely any growth year on year.

Ford also split its EV activities into a separate division, called Model e, which exposes just how much money this is all costing—a loss of $4.7 billion. That's quite a lot more than the $3 billion it thought Model e would lose in 2023.

Farley said the company will develop smaller and cheaper EVs, although he did not announce any specific new models by name. "All of our EV teams are ruthlessly focused on cost and efficiency in our EV products because the ultimate competition is going to be the affordable Tesla and the Chinese OEMs," he said.

"We made a bet in silence two years ago," Farley said of Ford's newest skunkworks. "They've developed a flexible platform that will not only deploy to several types of vehicles but will be a large install base for software and services," he told investors.

Ford may scale back some of its battery factory ambitions, too. "One of the things we’re taking advantage of in taking some timing delays is rationalizing the level and timing of our battery capacity to match demand and actually reassessing the vertical integration that we’re relying on, and betting on new chemistries and capacities," Farley said.

In 2023, Ford announced and then canceled a $3.5 billion plant to manufacture lithium iron phosphate battery packs in Michigan. But there are also three lithium-ion factories in the works in Kentucky and Tennessee.

Ford no longer expects Model e to be profitable by 2026, but Ford CFO John Lawler said that Model e would need to stop losing money "sooner or later."

"EVs are here to stay, customer adoption is growing, and their long-term upside is central to Ford+," said Lawler. "The customer insights we’re getting by being an early mover in electric pickups, SUVs, and commercial vehicles are invaluable—especially as we're developing next-generation EVs that are going to surprise customers and be profitable within a year of launch."

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dear Automakers,

I would like the following from EVs

Best Regards,

Me

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I'd sign your petition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The correct choice would be e-Pinto. It would have to be the cheapest ev on the market with no bells and whistles, no smart anything, but good enough for daily work commute with overnight charge at home. It would be pinto but nobody could say anything bad about it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And less explodey when rear ended please

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Hah. They would have to intentionally add that for an ev. Maybe if they wanted to really honour the original.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Or Focus. Or Escort. Affordable and useful would be nice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe if they didn't waste time and money with all the telematics, infotainment, and "smart" crap, they'd actually produce a simple, cost effective car that actually does just what it's supposed to do and get people from point A to point B.

It's a battery on wheels. It's not rocket science.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s a battery on wheels. It’s not rocket science.

Batteries cost more.

The easiest way to get people to pay for the more expensive batteries is to load them up with "smart crap". Replicating software is literally $0... literally free. All those "smarts" are nothing on a per-car basis. EVs need these tricks to sell, because you'll never compete with a Honda Fit with batteries alone.

As far as Ford's lineup goes, remember that they have a 40mpg 5-seater Pickup Truck (the Ford Maverick) at only $25k. Its unlikely that Ford would ever come out with any kind of EV that could compete against this price point.


That being said, Ford's eTransit van is one of the more popular commercial vehicles. 100mi range is great for city businesses, and the van has more than enough room to cover most business needs. No its not a consumer daily driver car, but there's niches here that Ford's accomplished that no one else is going for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Didn't they already say this a couple of weeks ago?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Yeah, article date Feb 7.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I swear there was buzz about an all-electric Maverick for like a weekend, before all mention of it completely disappeared.

I’m disappointed that never bore any fruit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They literally have all the pieces in their hands. They just gotta make it. How they've been misreading the market and missing the mark is ridiculous?

EV Maverick, just keep the costs reasonable, people will buy it.

Even an EV Escape, EV Taurus, EV Focus. They can make it happen. Instead they keep trying to make ev luxury priced SUV and truck, or just ugly crap like the Cmax

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I'm hanging on to a 20-year-old compact for dear life because I really cannot replace it. Everything is comparatively giant and very expensive. Plus it all sucks. I don't want a subscription car. And please give me real buttons.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

My vehicles start at 49yo (shit, just did the math!) No subscriptions, but a lot of failed buttons and levers along the way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've got a 2015, and it still has physical buttons for most functions, if the touchscreen fails, I have no music or nav, but that's it. The new Teslas can't even be put in gear if the touchscreen fails.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Oh man the 2011 or so dodge caravans... So a component of the electrical system can die making the wiper blades not work. The replacement is not worth it money wise so you hard wire a switch to directly toggle the blades. But suddenly Bluetooth is gone from the touch screen. No menus will indicate it ever existing in the first place. You can still voice command "Bluetooth pairing" but it just exits all menus and returns to the radio. I miss the old days...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

For real! I tried a friend's new car recently and every action expect for blinkers and windshield wipers required you to look around as the buttons weren't physical.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

A Ford Focus EV would be sweet. Give it 250+ miles per full charge and 30k

It's buying it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

They made one for a couple of years (2017 - 2019 ish), I owned one. It was a compliance vehicle, I think it might have only been sold in California. Mine had 115 mi of range, which came from a battery pack they wedged in the trunk which reduced storage space and made the front wheel drive car very rear heavy and get no traction off the line. I had to learn how to accelerate from a stop without spinning the tires. It was loud in the cabin (road noise), super quick in traffic, had really shitty and laggy infotainment, using the heater obliterated the range by about 35%, and had a top speed of I think 75 mph. I did like the remote start and scheduled start, though. You could program a schedule when you'd get in your car, and it would have the cabin pre heated or cooled to your temp, music playing, etc. That felt fancy to me.

I love the focus hatchback platform, but they need to completely start over with that car on their new ev platform for it to be viable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Thunderbird Lightning edition

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The model 3 RWD is basically already there in many places, ~$36k pre-tax incentives (Colorado tax incentive brings it down to $31k) and EPA est 272mi range (Out of Spec got 264mi in their 70mph range test). What we really need is something in this class for $20-25k.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

That's what I'm hoping for except for the Fiesta, maybe that Puma that they're refusing to sell in the US for some reason

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