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Those non-violent protests shook them so bad they wanted to charge non-violent Quaker protestors with terrorism.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Individual, spontaneous acts alone are not sufficient either. This is adventurism, which is fun to celebrate but does not actually change the equation. The answer is neither peaceful organizing nor individual aggression, but mass, millitant organizing! Throughout all of history, there have been no successful changes in the status quo without a mass, organized movement. Read theory and get organized. If you need a place to start, I suggest my introductory Marxist reading list.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If enough individuals do it, it will be collective.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I disagree that that would accomplish anything. Assassinations do not "transfer power" as the SRs once claimed, but create a void that is filled by the next in line, always bourgeois or bourgeois adjacent. What is required is revolution, but through organization, so that there can be dominance over this sphere entirely, and the working class wrest its Capital permanently and gradually.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cool sticker on your cybertruck!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Cybertrain*

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It was also preceded by a violent act of terrorism that made people support whatever the president wanted to do in the middle east.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Very large* act of violent terrorism.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

American problems require American solutions

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

I remember huge student protests for weeks on end. Then, over spring break when all the students were off elsewhere - the bombs began to drop.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This is why peaceful protest is legal, it accomplishes nothing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

So you're saying that Gandhi accomplished nothing but leading the most significant and largest non-violent struggle in all of history? To each their own I suppose.

He just didn't sit with placards, he refused to co-operate with the British establishment, and when millions followed him, they couldn't just arrest them all. He got India independence through a non-violent struggle, the basis of which lied in subjugating the British trade and administration.

They could arrest Gandhi and Congress leaders all they wanted to, but the movement they inspired couldn't be stopped.

This might just be the American train of thought, but you're wrong here. When millions follow you, and refuse to cooperate, the ruling class will suffer, because they're dependent on you for power. Checkmate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something often missed about Gandhi’s efforts was that it was still more about what he did do than what he didn’t (violence). He still used resistance and force, including illegal actions that he believed were just, and massively hurt Great Britain’s bottom line and sense of control.

The trick is to locate efforts that aim to accomplish that in modern US politics.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago

That's an american matter and I couldn't be bothered less.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I think it's not really fair to compare 1940s India with current American politics.

It feels somewhat like saying "the Mongolian army took over half of Eurasia with mounted archers, Ukraine should just use those against Russia!"

It's just not comparable, different cultures, different opponents, and wildly different technology. And this isn't just the US, it is a worldwide class war. Organized resistance on that scale, especially when the ruling elite can monitor nearly 100% of all communication, just isn't something that's going to happen, even with a charismatic figurehead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Not American. Ghandi's mission was to give "untouchables" caste some human equality. Technically, women's/lgbtq movements were peaceful. Unlike US/Israel first oligarchy, there is complete/absolute media loyalty for it, in a way that the British Empire is harder to defend as benevolent to Indians. The support for oligarchy's wars and supremacy is unconditional. If we don't give them everything we have then China, Russia and Iran will win, and you all nod along.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.

~ M. Gandhi

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Then why do peaceful protestors get arrested and brutalised by cops all the time?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Target practice. Did you see the video where they shot the teenager standing still on a hill doing nothing? The shot him in the head with a rubber bullet, causing concussion and permanent damage. The officer high fives another officer right after.

The kid was literally just standing there doing nothing. A fucking child was used as target practice by adult civil servants.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Easy targets.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats not true. As much as I see the need for violent protest sometimes, peaceful protest can change things. See the fall of the berlin wall.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Yes, but also no. The GDR and the Soviet Union who supported it and supplied it were both almost bankrupt and economically broken. Infrastructure was falling apart because the state couldn't afford to fix it.

The potests sure helped, but the government of the GDR was also in a state where it would accept the demands as a way out. The protests probably did accelerate the downfall a bit, but it would have happened either way.

Similar protests years before were leading nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Gandhi disagrees

(Unless he's playing Civ)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One of the funniest programing bugs ever. Gandhi's code was meant to be the least aggressive AI in the game, but if something made Ghandi become even less aggressive it could overflow backwards and set his aggressiveness to max. This creating a Gandhi that wanted to always be at war.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

We want public healthcare. This act of violins highlights the anger we feel. It doesn't bring us closer to a solution. But imagine the roles swapped. We continuously live in fear of getting sick and then going bankrupt and homeless because of it. But what about from the other side...imagine a wolf in a house eating his sheep dinner. Imagine that asshole dancing around and humping several wolfority mates every night having the time of it's miserable life....and suddenly that wolf peaks at the window and has a sudden realization... Sudden because he suddenly opened the window. It realizes that there's nothing but sheep outside, all looking at him thru the window. Goes up to the roof top and observes himself surrounded by million upon millions of sheep all looking directly at him. The wolf sees one fellow wolf nearby as the sheep trample him. The wolf listens to his friend's bones crackling into mush. So just close the blinds and have another sheep from the fridge? Or maybe address the impending problem?

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