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Those non-violent protests shook them so bad they wanted to charge non-violent Quaker protestors with terrorism.
Partially because "peaceful" and the definition of what would or would not be accepted as valid protest became co-opted by the management/ ivy league class.
Compare the Seattle WTO protests to the 2003-2005 Iraq protests.
The protests were amazing, nothing like it before or since. The media suppressed coverage of them as best they could. They couldn't totally ignore them but gave almost 0 coverage. Masses and masses of people packing the streets. Wish we'd had drones back then to get some good aerial footage.
I wish they had come armed. I wish Jan 6 happened to Bush. So many children's lives could have been spared across the years and borders.
Indeed and wait until Mango Fucking Mussolini decides to invade Iran. That will be one hell of a protest.
This is why the ruling class pushes gun control so hard. Don't let them do it.
As someone that was at the protest, at no point did I think it would result in the war stopping. It was still worthwhile, however. In retrospect, the war was so much worse than any of us knew at the time and also based on flimsy and/or no evidence of WMD. Business as usual in America. We'd do it all over again today, I have no doubt.
I would say it laid the ground work for OccupyWallstreet, which laid the ground work for modern progressive movement.
What change was accomplished by OccupyWallstreet?
They were angry about economic inequality -- it's worse today than in 2011.
They wanted an end to corporate personhood -- still totally cookin' in 2024 with no end in sight
More regulation of the financial sector -- we are more deregulated than ever today
I had to admire their aims, but as a movement it was profoundly ineffective...
I think it absolutely laid down the base for the modern progressive movement - mistakenly believing protests do anything on their own
Occupy was huge, it was global and persisted for a long time, but it didn't have any teeth - people just stopped paying attention and eventually police cleared people out
No one (rich) was losing money, no one (rich) felt threatened or inconvenienced in any way. They made their feelings known... But most people had no idea why or what they wanted, and politicians don't actually care what you want. They didn't even organize enough to be a voting block or clearly communicate their message
They knew there weren't WMDs and used the fear of 9/11 attacks to push the war. They had OpEd pieces published to further push the idea of WMDs.
IIRC, Biden championed that, right?
No, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, and a bunch of others in the administration championed it. Biden et al supported it. Subtle.
Huh, I thought he was critical in making the case. I'm no political historian tho.
Congress basically believed what they were told by the warmongers.
Barbara Lee did NOT support it
No, not today, but give it a couple of years.
"Two more weeks"
I wish there was a prediction market about this outcome, as I would gladly bet against it. I don't see America suddenly growing a spine. As long as there is (fast) food available and the electricity and football games are flowing, 99.999% aren't picking up that pistol.
I don't want to shake the ruling class, I want to take away their power to exploit people. I want insurance companies reigned in. Getting Obamacare passed did more than what a thousand vigilantes could, and that was after the Republicans and lobbyists gutted it.
If people really want to stick it to the man (conservatives and liberals alike), then they can vote in representatives and Senators who will actually legislate for the people, rather than ones who will enrich themselves off their backs.
You can revolt, you can eat the rich, it feels great. But what matters is how the system gets changed or doesn't change. Plenty of revolutions have replaced the system was something worse, with these heros who took down the ruling class in their place. Keep a close eye on Syria, here's hoping for the best.
I want to take away their power to exploit people.
They don't want that. They control Congress and the courts. It can't be done through proper channels because we already lost our Republic. They won't give it up without a fight.
There are people in Congress who want that and are exactly working towards that. It isn't lost yet, and they are not giving it up without a fight.
There are not enough, by far. At this point (thanks to scotus) we'll need a new constitution just to reclaim democracy.
That is all without considering what Trump is likely to cause in his second term. Scotus has ruled that a sitting president cannot, officially break the law. That is not a Republic. Scotus has ruled that money is speech, and so our positions on issues have less (/no) value. That is not democracy.
I'm not trying to be a doomer, just realistic.
Yes, we are in agreement on the outlook. As they've been saying in Ukraine, "The situation is grim". My point was more about continuing to fight on all fronts, including the political/legislative fronts.
I absolutely agree we shouldn't give up on any political fronts. I just want people to understand that we can't count on it, a page has turned.... Anyway thanks for the chat.