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Maybe you haven't been convinced by a good enough argument. Maybe you just don't want to admit you are wrong. Or maybe the chaos is the objective, but what are you knowingly on the wrong side of?

In my case: I don't think any games are obliged to offer an easy mode. If developers want to tailor a specific experience, they don't have to dilute it with easier or harder modes that aren't actually interesting and/or anything more than poorly done numbers adjustments. BUT I also know that for the people that need and want them, it helps a LOT. But I can't really accept making the game worse so that some people get to play it. They wouldn't actually be playing the same game after all...

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

OP, you've made the classic mistake of putting your opinion in the post instead of as a comment, now everyone is replying to your opinion in top level comments instead of your question.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Opinions change, but sometimes the discussion doesn’t come up a second time. There are more than a few positions I’ve taken that I’ve since changed my mind about, one of which is certifications. While not necessarily a requirement in IT, having one would be immensely helpful right now, and so would having any kind of degree. Not only would it assist with a job search, but I’ve also been looking into moving to another country, and these things are almost always listed as something they look for during approval.

I’ve also been on the wrong side of whether or not to change career paths.

I’m trying to get back into gaming, and one of the things I appreciate most is a true, authentic experience that the developer intended, not something that was trimmed down or made easier for the sake of bringing in the most money or using other gimmicks to increase player count. I used to think it was best to include an easy mode, but after experiencing it, I can see it’s really not the same game, like you said. This was a relatively recent realization, too, one that I didn’t know I was on the wrong side of until I saw it firsthand.

Distro choice is another issue. I didn’t want to admit that I’ve fallen behind on that one, but I’m trying to get into some of the gaming-specific distros now after seeing what’s available.

I’ve been doing a lot of self-reflection, and these are just a few of the things I’ve realized I was wrong about. It’s not that I needed to be convinced of anything; I just couldn’t admit it for whatever reason. I’m trying to work on a lot of things right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, I'm also on that side of the "game difficulty" argument. I mean, I don't care much about what's offered in single player games. I usually play on the default settings. But one time I got into an argument with someone who said he should be able to unilaterally adjust his iframes and parry window in PvP, and that guy can fuck himself.

I think I have an undue emotional response because a lot of the time it feels like the other person didn't even try. It's like someone who goes to a restaurant and just immediately pours salt all over the dish. Just try it like it was delivered first.

Or they usually eat pizza, but they order this soup dish. And then they get mad they're burning their hands when they try to scoop it into their mouth. Use a spoon. Stop blaming the soup and use a spoon.

I guess more broadly my problem is I don't believe other people are any good at introspection and emotional regulation. People just feel things and make up justifications. We all do that some of the time, but I think some people are just always in that mode.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I’ll answer your question!

Pretty sure I’m on the wrong side of vegetarianism. I love animals, I think they’re worthy of love and consideration from us. I know becoming a vegetarian or vegan would reduce harm to animals, and I’m pretty sure it’s the morally correct thing to do. It’s also hard, it’s alienating, and I know every time I’ve attempted it in the past it’s triggered disordered eating.

My current stance is that society should embrace vegetarianism. If the government were to make a law granting animals status that protected them from being killed for food, I’d support that as a moral good. However, I’m not willing to be fully vegetarian in a carnivorous society, there are too many drawbacks. I know this is hypocritical and kinda intellectually pathetic of me but there it is :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

My mother does wildlife rescues, birds are mostly, then goes home and cooks a roast chicken.

She knows it's hypocritical. Cognitive dissonance is weird.

Also, it's not so alienating. I attend dinners with my family, and I'll eat roast vegies, and bring a side-dish for myself. Over time a few of my friends became vegan (I didn't convince them to) and it's exciting to share recipes.

If nothing else, reduce your meat intake over time.

As with most changes people make, the more drastic, the more unlikely it is to stick.

When I became vegan I was a slut for KFC burgers, and I "failed" a few times, but I just kept reminding myself it's not good for anyone, and mustered up the will power to drive past, and eat at home instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve definitely reduced my intake, I just can’t apply the principle in a strict way. And the “alienating“ comment is just my own experience, I’m glad you didn’t have that issue! This isn’t intended to dissuade anyone from trying to be vegetarian, like I said I think I’m on the wrong side of this. It just personally has been difficult to fully align my moral principles and my actions on this matter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

You're not alone in not living up to your principles, virtually nobody can.

I once tried to vet all the products I was buying to make sure I wasn't contributing to slave labour, or deforestation, or animal exploitation, and it was exhausting.

It was good to identify brands which were absolute villains, and I still avoid them like the plague, but the amount of willpower it takes to travel to multiple stores and pick only the lesser of evils is something I'm not capable of right now.

I make gradual improvements, which is sustainable.

I am dead-set on repairing what I can, and hate spending money on new things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Good example. I also feel like vegetarianism is probably correct, but I still haven't gone that way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm all in on lab grown protein

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Your position is about a thousand times better than the denial-ism of most meat-eaters. "Eating meat is morally dubious, but I am making this bad trade off" is better than the usual "Shut up meat is tasty and like they don't feel pain and if they did it's only for a moment and it's longer they deserve it for being lower on the food chain. And the environmental impacts are just made up but even if they were real they're not a big deal, and if they were then it's not like it'll affect me, and if it did well fuck you."

That is, some people who eat meat refuse to acknowledge that there's any drawbacks or moral pitfalls. I guess that's too hard on the self image. Cowards, really.

I try to minimize how much meat I eat. It's a baby step. It's hard when like work does an outing and there's no vegetarian options. I don't want to make a big stink about it every time. But I'm not going to pretend that eating meat is morally the high ground or good for the environment.

Sometimes people are like "Well I just enjoy a hamburger" as if that's any sort of justification. Maybe I just enjoy punching cowards in the throat, but we can't always do what we want, now can we.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

The right way to comment on this post is not to answer OPs question, but rather offer your take on their take.

I did all the things at once!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Imo, games shouldn't have an easy or a hard mode. They should progress from easy to hard. Think super mario world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

I generally agree, but I will say, it's damn hard to get back into games like this after time passes.

The most extreme example would be Super Mario Maker, where some custom levels need game knowledge from a wide array of the various games, so if you don't know that in SM2 you can pickup snowballs, you might get stuck for a while.

A normal example would be like Vanquish, where if you take a break near the end of the game the sheer level of technical necessity the game requires can make it very difficult to get back into it.

But those are extreme examples. Another example would be something like Mario Kart or Super Smash Bros., where everyone has their sort of muscle memory with these games. I played Melee competitively and I came back to the game and it was like riding a bike, or a Souls game, while hard, is just one boss at a time and the game itself doesn't have too much technical growth.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t think any games are obliged to offer an easy mode.

That's a valid stance. It's ok to make art which is not intended for everyone, or even the majority.

However, if you're charging people money for it and they are surprised by the difficulty and can't enjoy it as a result, I think that could be a potential ethical issue. But if you make it clear it's a difficult, challenging game, then I see no problem.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is the word "wrong" spelled "wrong" or "rongue"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

You are rong

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As a Gen Xer, I would agree. When we had games, you had to figure it out. From there, it just got harder and harder until you died. No pretty graphics, no saves, no easy mode.

Now get offa muh lawn!

E: words are hard

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I am always on the right side of any discussion. Otherwise I wouldn't be on that side.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm glad you are like that, but dometimes people want to be convinced of the opposite side but haven't been able to, yet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yep. I don't argue for things I don't believe are the side I should be on. Sometimes I make tongue-in-cheek arguments (think A Modest Proposal) but that's not in a discussion. I don't get into arguments as a sport or to make people angry, so why ever be on a side I think is 'wrong'?

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