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I pay 200 bucks for kindergarten in Norway, and most of it is tax refundable
The rest of the 1st World is way ahead of the USA. I like it when the American politicians and business leaders say family values are important. In reality, that is last thing on their fucking minds and the US Labor Laws and paternity leave proves it. If you want to have a family, move to Norway, Sweden, Finland or Denmark.
All my coworkers by 1200 to 1600 in usd per per month per kid. This is unsustainable. Unless you have 2 people with no college debt making bank.
Jesus fucking christ! I'm so happy I live in a sane country, we pay $250 for two children, and it's only going down the older they get.
Wait it's supposed to go down? It increases the older they are at mine.
For us it does, since bigger kids are easier to take care of than babies.
Makes sense. The US is backwards lol
That it is, and it's not looking like it's getting better any time soon 🙃
A vasectomy is a hell of a deal.
Oklahoma paid for mine for free. Thanks to Plan Parenthood.
rip my balls off
All I could afford.
And people wonder why I don’t want to have kids.
Aren't staff at daycares way under paid? Where is all the money going?
A senior teacher at the KinderCare that my kid to makes $25/hr. Minimum wage here is $20/hr. The cost per month was about $2500 per child.
My friend shared how he was able to get a deal of $2500 a month for two kids.
Rent is a factor probably.
The owners.
It's not regulated and generally it's hired as "low skill" (it really fucking isn't) so they're very replaceable.
The easiest money is made on old farts and new farts. Nursing homes care assistants are basically on minimum wage while the owners rake in the money.
It's priced, what are you going to do? Not go to work and stay with your gran or child?
Really awesome that we as a society consider people watching our children at the most important part of their lives “low skill.”
Imagine what our test scores would be like if we considered them as important as hedge fund managers and marketing executives.
I am in the northeast and it is heavily regulated down to how many hours staff can be on duty and levels of staffing, the simple fact is that especially for those under twelve (where the rules are generally at least two people at all times for a group of ten, under three is literally 1 person per two children), ensuring that you have 10-12 hours of sufficient coverage (most ppl work 8-9 hours plus travel time to work) from background checked and fingerprinted persons while also feeding the children and keep a commercial building open is expensive.
Do public schools even have that ratio of adults to children?
Not in my neck of the woods, they are aiming for 25 kids per teacher eventually in NYC 🙄, and meanwhile some older NY folks say we baby the young cause they were upto 50 to a teacher when they went to school, like we shouldn't try to progress.
I'm glad some places do it right!
I’m pretty sure they are underpaid.
Some of it is skimmed off, sure, but most of it is because it's fucking expensive to employ people to just watch kids.
I just picked a state. Average infant daycare cost is $1172/mo. Maximum of 4 infants per caregiver, so a maximum of $4.688.
Health insurance here averages $400/mo, for an individual (some often paid by the employer).
Assuming they are employed, the employer is paying for federal unemployment insurance, workers compensation insurance, state unemployment insurance. It was really hard to get solid numbers but based on my reading, we can estimate about 2% will go to that.
So we have $4296 left over. Assuming payroll and supplies and everything else costs nothing at all (which is definitely not accurate), and assuming we give the rest straight to the employee... Their gross would be $51,000 roughly.
The average daycare worker in this state makes about $33k/year.
Rent of the daycare facility is likely sky high as well.
Honestly the number of kids per staff member is almost entirely to blame.
The 4 to 1 ratio gets aged out of real quickly. In fact I am not sure we ever got that ratio with our daycare.
There's tons and tons of federal and state funds for individual daycares, group centers etc. Some of it specifically to help boost payroll. Still doesn't help because it gets eaten away by the bureaucracy.
I was thinking it would be 1 adult for every 8-10 kids but others are saying it is legally mandated to be 1 adult to 2-5 kids which means you are paying half a persons salary.
It depends on the age of the kids. Infants have fewer kids per adult than Pre-K does.
Daycare got cheaper as my son got older. Always loved him moving up to a, new room. Of course, 30 years ago, were talking about $125/week or so when he was an infant.
Yeah and not just pure take home. Also any benefits(though in this industry they'd be the worst of they're even offered), making sure you have a correct staffing matrix, and taxes/unemployment insurance. It's pretty cost prohibitive, depending on age. And once it's not, the kid really can stay home alone.
Yep 10 years ago when my wife was the full time worker and I wanted to work. I would have to have been making $23 per hour to make a profit on working. The cheapest childcare we could find would have me paying childcare costs that exceeded a 40 hour per week check. I would have to pay to have a job. Best I could find at the time was $16.50 so I just elected to save money by not working.
Childcare? Y'all don't just leave your kids unsupervised at home?
/s Don't do that, but like thats reality tho. Some people do that.