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Coulda had a bad bitch... (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago

Sorry but voters don't get a say in USA. They only can choose between the 2 that their bosses have chosen.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (3 children)

every comment in this thread along the lines of

“wElL yOu sHoUldVE vOtEd tHeN!!!1!”

fucking confounds me bc ig you guys either have a weird victim blaming kink or you have massively more faith in our electoral system’s veracity than i do.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Be a lot easier to discuss how well things worked if everyone participated.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (5 children)

i honestly am skeptical of western media’s narrative that everyone is complacent and doesn’t give a fuck. i’ve met a lot of people. every single one of them gives some sort of a shit about politics. it feels like homegrown astroturfing to keep anything from ever actually coming to a head. keep people feeling alone and isolated, hopeless. if 60-80% of americans are complacent, don’t participate civically, and are actively disengaged from the political process… then where are these people? i should be seeing them in droves right? but i’m not, and neither is anyone i know. my network isn’t really geographically limited either. anecdotal evidence regardless, sure, but still suss imo.

i’ve seen the statistics and polls, the election results and non-participant ratio, you don’t need to share those sources with me.

idk, maybe i’m fucking crazy and a conspiracy theorist. a wise man once said that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Perhaps those that care about politics are the ones with which politics gets discussed? Unless you're sitting down and going "so that trump, huh?" With every person you meet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

i do admit the bias of my sampling, but also at the same time:

Unless you're sitting down and going "so that trump, huh?" With every person you meet.

yeah… i mean i do end up doing this much of the time? my time and labor is valuable… i’d rather not waste it on working with fascists, but i recognize i have the privilege of making that choice due to the kind of work i do.

if you lived during the reich would you not be like “so how ‘bout that hitler?” to every person you met??? i would?????????

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Gen X in Texas at least doesn't seem to vote much if at all.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Great, now we're doing "land votes" takes just like conservative boomers posting minion memes on Facebook.

I'm so glad to see that the 'left' isn't as fucking braindead as the ghouls on the right. /s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (6 children)

But the land does vote.

That's the whole issue with gerrymandering and the electoral college.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Either Delaware has a population density to rival Kowloon Walled City, or this is a bit more than a "land votes" take

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's tracing where candidates predominate, with blue and deep blue being Sanders - the impression is given, by the presence of blue across a large swathe of the country, that Sanders is winning an overwhelming victory. However, much of the area that is blue is not considerably populated; while Sanders enjoyed plurality support at this point in the primary (I remember it well, because I was so fucking excited and hopeful), it's not even vaguely close to the implication of overwhelming support that the map gives off.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

People should have voted in primaries, then. I did. Both times. Clearly not enough did.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago (5 children)

No, no, you see, if we just convince enough people NOT to vote in the primaries, the whole system will collapse!

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[+] [email protected] -10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As a non American I don't see why the democratic party should have chosen a guy who deliberately chose to spend his entire career outside the democratic party.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because their would be constituents wanted him.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Great, then mirror some of his policies. However were I a democratic politician, I simply would not reward a politician who has been outside the party structure for decades with endorsement for presidency. For me it would effectively be like skipping the queue.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For me it would effectively be like skipping the queue.

It's not about whose turn it is. Arguably, that's how we got Hillary Clinton in 2016, which was the failure that gave Trump a political career.

What it is about is representing your party members. And your party members supported Bernie Sanders.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I didn't say anything about "turns".

To become a high ranked member of the democratic party that is in consideration for the US Presidency, you have had to put in decades of political work and show loyalty to the party. You have had to work within the constraints of the party, even when you don't 100% agree with them, and be considered as responsible by the public for bad decisions. Your career may have hit rocky patches because of choices the party made, despite them not being your personal beliefs.

To be Bernie Sanders was actually quite an easy political position, for the most part. He got to vote how he liked, did not have to sit under the party whip, and was only responsible for his own decisions. He did not have to do anything that was politically difficult, as he was never in power.

So my view on it is that there is just no reason why the democratic party should have gone along with him as their representative. If he wanted to have a chance at being the president, he needed to put in the political legwork, become a democrat, and have to go with the party whip sometimes, even if he didn't personally believe in what he was voting for.

To have selected him would have meant that there was one less reason to be a democrat, as you could just be an opportunistic, populist independent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I didn't say anything about "turns".

For me it would effectively be like skipping the queue.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Death to the DNC never forget

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