Trudeau screwed us, and his legacy is shit for that. I didn't mind him as a PM overall, but he had the mandate to reform our elections and he didn't do it - and worse he lied about it. His entire legacy is destroyed imo because of that.
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I'll just put this here for what it's worth: https://you.leadnow.ca/petitions/prime-minister-mark-carney-deliver-proportional-representation-for-canada
Who knows!
There were other critical fails, but this is certainly the biggest.
100% agree. Im not a fuck Trudeau guy but he did fuck us by not keeping his promise.
Yes agree but the NDP have been here before (reduced), NDP voters lent their vote to the Liberals this time to block a PP govt while US is attacking us. While I acknowledge that the federal NDP is in disarray (no leader and very few federal seats) they still are the provincial govt in BC and Manitoba and form the opposition in Alberta, Nova Scotia, Ontario, and Saskatchewan. You could say that the federal cons are also in disarray, the leader without a seat, a leader who is the least popular leader in the country, who still has to survive a leadership review, and who may not survive that. We are not turning into a 2 party country actually IMO.
We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.
When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.
Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.
And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.
It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.
The NDP's problem is not the candidate, it's the lack of policy alternative. We just spent 10 years on very incremental small potatoes. Sure non-universal dental and pharmacare is absolutely not nothing but these are not normal times. We need some Mamdani style policy proposals, a morally ambitious program to reform Canada.
Things like:
- am aggressive tax policy to curb income and wealth inequality, which is a ticking bomb for our democracy
- massive increases in non-market housing to address the housing crisis
- free university to expand and train our next generation of doctors and nurses
- a decisive energy transition and an actual war on the fossil economy, from the wells to the pumps
- a new urban strategy framed around transit and active transport
- a restorative economy and actual reconciliation and land back to indigenous people
- a program for opening our borders aiming to grow and renew our smaller towns and cities
- a renewal of our glorious Peacekeeping tradition and a positive role in the world based on an uncompromising commitment to international law
We are facing a slew of crises from the climate, to fascism, to billionaire dragons siphoning capital and throwing us into economic stagnation.
If we don't argue for our ideals, who will?
The NDP needs to do its job and present a brave democratic socialist vision for Canada and start shifting the Overton window to a future where the Liberals would be the right and the Tories the minor party.
You can fantasize about the kitchen sink of left policy all day long. None of this matters if the population is centrist neo-liberal minded. Carney is proof of this. Doug Ford is proof of this. Ford in particular is smart enough to know not to mess with social politics. That angers the broad spectrum center voters.
Your dream NDP candidate and platform will not suddenly enamor the population. People don't personally want to do hard things that are required to address critical issues on the economy and environment. The status quo is the path of least resistance even though the long term consequences are significant.
The problem is not so much platform. Leftist platform is well known. By now it's a big scary boogeyman thanks to conservative propaganda machine. The task is making such platform palatable. In other words selling it ways that people won't be fearful that it will put them personally under hardship.
People are short term myopic operators. The idea of a greater good for better personal outcomes does not compute. This is the fact of the matter. Why should anyone individual place big lofty but nebulous national/global issues ahead of food on the table for their family. My kids need to eat, is what anyone is thinking really.
I know you love leftist platform. You can give the list of policy all day long. That doesn't matter. What matters is making population not recoil at the thought of even one item on the list.
This is why the NDP became indistinguishable from Liberals. They could not figure out how to sell leftist platform. They got gradually nudged and scared from their convictions.
Every party is like this. They're timid inspite of some of them being blustering strongmen. They're all basically signalling to the the population not to worry because they won't be the one that makes your life harder than it already is. Unfortunately for left parties the world is right minded (though not necessarily at heart). It's the hardest to sell platform by simple metric of absolute distance. It's not about policy itself. The challenge is making that distance to left platform less scary.
I liked Jaggers
Like Charlie Angus. What I wouldn’t give to have him be up against Carney and PP.
Anyone in BC looking to make this happen, you can make your opinion known to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia here: https://consultation-portal.leg.bc.ca/consultations/43
I mean, we have the Bloc Québécois, which I thank Quebec for because from my POV, we would already be there if it weren’t for the stubbornness of Quebeckers
Thanks, I always vote BQ :)
The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It's just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.
I would argue if the NDP played their cards better they cooks have been the one people rallied behind.
But they didn’t and running Singh was a one of the worst political moves by a party in Canada in my lifetime.
I feel like we owe Singh for not giving into PP's election demands the previous October. We'd have a Conservative majority government right now with the NDP as the official opposition, which would have really saved their asses with the debt problem they currently have. He put the good of the country ahead of himself.
And that is why electoral reform is important; so that splitting the vote is not penalised.
Written from NZ who adopted MMP about 30 years ago.
I wish 2025 was the last time I will have had to strategically vote, but it won't be.
As long as you focus on competent administration, the three party system will stay strong. The third party is for bringing policies and ideas to the national stage. Because any time the two most powerful parties are ignoring popular policy, the second party will partner with the third to gang up on the party in power or the party in power will court the third to prevent it. Either way, the third party gets a national voice. And the third party has to focus on popular policy because they do not have enough power to do anything else.
The issue is that politics in Canada is increasingly adopting the team sports US model. Instead of being FOR certain policies or ideas, people are AGAINST somebody else. In that game, you only need two teams.
Mark Carney’s liberals and Andrew Sheer’s conservatives must be pressured to support a citizen’s assembly to decide on the next electoral system that parliament must pass.
We need to put first-past-the-post to rest.
Why would they do that? The current system ensures that at least one of them will always be in charge, and they effectively have the same politics.
Because they want to keep the support of the populace. The kiwi politicians didn't want to pass electoral reform for years either until the public had enough of their nonsense and held steady on the issue.
Electoral reform and the NDP coming out swinging, leaning hard into social programs with a sharp and charismatic leader.
The provincial ndp need to get with the program and pass proportional representation already in BC and Manitoba!
Federally, only two parties have formed government. They change their names etc, but it's pretty close to being a two party system already.
It's fair to say other parties have had an effect (like the NDP before the last election), but they haven't gotten anywhere near forming government.
The third party never forms a government but that does not mean it does not have an impact on national politics. See my other comment.
A three party system is completely different than a two party system even if only two of the parties have ever held a majority.
The NDP has been the official opposition. There are times, as in many minority governments, where the third party has more impact on national policy than the opposition does (via alliances).
Please do not go down the path of the US. It’s far easier for two parties to collude.
They already do.
FPTP guarantees that out come so get hype. We are pretty much there now. We just need a few more cycles of left splitting before people get tired of that and then our transformation will be complete.
Most abc do voters support proportional representation at 79%. It's the elite politicians on the conservatives and liberals that are being the hold up, who haven't face enough political consequences for opposing electoral reform in the first place.
This is the way!
I would be so happy if we had some form of this here. And it would help us get rid of ABC style voting too, which is what tends to happen without it.
It's totally up to us.
Absolutely the politicians serve us not the other way around.