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I hate big tech controlling social media. I desperately want social media to be federated.

I really love community-driven social media like Reddit. Lemmy feels… too small. I really loved that Reddit let me jump into any niche hobby, and instantly I had a community. Lemmy, you’ll be lucky if that community even exists, and if it does, chances are nobody has posted in ages.

On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately. I’ve basically been doom scrolling everything US election-related, and it’s really starting to take a toll on my mental health.

I know I can filter content. I know I can post and be the change I seek. Yet, it feels like an uphill battle.

Not sure what the point of this is, or if it’s even the right community to vent about this. I just really want to replace Reddit, but I find myself going back more and more (e.g. r/homekit is very active compared to Lemmy version).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the other hand, Lemmy is full of political content lately.

Unfollow communities with political content, and all that goes away.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think a surprising number of people use the 'All' feed, both here, and on Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A lot of focus is put onto posting, but I like to encourage commenters. I'll post and respond all day, but if nobody is interacting, it's going to stay quiet. Put the quiet to your advantage by doing things like:

If you like an image, say what you like about it. Lately, I've been having people talk about how they really have been enjoying dawn/dusk pictures, so I've been collecting more of that so I can post what people are in the mood for. It gives me good feedback, it gives people a chance to agree or disagree with you, and you got to participate.

Do you ask anyone any question? Take advantage of the relative quiet. With not having a million comments on every post, I have plenty of time to give you really detailed answers. I got asked how to differentiate between 2 animals yesterday, and I had time to make a nice visual guide, highlighting key differences and giving multiple visual examples of potential variations while still simplifying the process of identification. If there's a million people talking like on Reddit, it's hard to give people that much attention, but here it's easy. I pretty much take time to respond to every comment.

Don't be afraid to go off topic. Rules seem to be looser in many communities because of the low post count. This week, I posted something from a country with a different language, and I ended up having 3 days of conversation with a native speaker who filled me in on tons of subtleties of the language pertaining to our niche topic. I got to learn so much, and they got to learn a few things about English.

I feel you have to do something to have a good time here, but it needn't be to post multiple things every day, but it's more than just up or downvoting something like you can get away with on Reddit. We're too small for you to have a free ride. But make someone laugh. Let them know that you liked their post with a short comment. If you don't like it, say hey, do you have any content on such and such instead. Make a post saying, hey, what's your thoughts on this? It doesn't need to be something groundbreaking or insightful, you just need to give a sign of life so we know you're here, and one of us will probably talk back to you.

Interact enough like that, and you may find what you enjoy doing, if that turns out to be posting, or you become the resident expert on a topic even if you're not an expert, being a serial commenter, or whatever it may be. It's a great opportunity if you make it one because it is so easy to get attention here if you try.

I'm not typically a social person, but being here has let me talk about what I want, when I want, and somebody will listen to it, and I can ask about things I want to know and get answers. There's much less shouting into the void like at Reddit. Play Lemmy to its strengths and you will find enjoyment. And if you don't like it, go to where you're happy. Nobody's going to hate you if you split time between here and Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I'll post and respond all day, but if nobody is interacting, it's going to stay quiet.

Well I just wanted to respond because I'm also trying to comment as much as I can and even post every now and again. But the issue I've seen is Lemmy draws a certain kind of person, which means a lot of like minded people in the comments. I see your response here, read it, like it and then think: "Yes I agree, nothing to add". So I don't respond, which makes it feel pretty quiet.

Another thing I've seen is not a lot of people even bother opening posts, they just scroll through the feed, get their dopamine and that's it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

As somebody mentioned below, subscribe to communities you find to be of interest and then set your default mode to subscribed so that you only see those that you've actually subscribed to and that goes away a lot. Only browse all if you absolutely run out of content and are still looking to read.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

All I’m getting lately in my feed are cats!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Honestly, that was what early reddit was like too. Lots and lots of cat pics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would you rather have cats or beans?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Beans have cats, duh.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not a bug! That's a feature.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

No, of course not. Cats are mammals, not insects.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Browse by "subscribed", and subscribe to a lot of communities. Only do it by "all" when you can't find good stuff in the subscribed view.

I do this and, while I do see a few intrusive US politics posts, it's far less than when browsing by "all".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The problem, as already stated, is that there are not many communities in the first place. And if there are, they're likely more or less dead, with weeks or even months old posts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Disagree. I use subscribed and I get plenty of content, a couple hours worth a day. You may just be used to reddits firehose. If there's a missing community, you can always create it and start posting consistently

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not here to post stuff, that's the opposite of what I want. And the things I'm subscribed to I can scroll through within a couple minutes before they're dry. It's just too empty here with only a few threads and comments here and there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Well then I can tell you you're in the wrong place. There aren't algorithms. There aren't bots. Just people like me posting. It is run by and for individuals, and all posts are made by individuals. If you don't want to post then you are the one to be mad at for not enough content

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, it is a problem - depending on your tastes "subscribed" won't be enough. But going "subscribed" and then "all" is bound to show less political posts than going straight for "all".

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I don't want to simply repeat what others have said, but on a personal level, I'm actually enjoying the smaller overall community - it makes it a bit more personal, I feel. I enjoy that. Yeah, fair enough, it's not great for niches, but you don't have to be tethered down to one place for your content.

Back in my day, you had to go to completely different websites for your niche content! Forums were the mainstream!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I agree that, asking with the bad things OP mentions, there are good things about a smaller site. I remember a lot of times on Reddit when I had something to say, but when I went into the thread there were thousands of comments and I'd feel like there just wasn't a point in adding mine.

On Lemmy, when I make a comment, it's very likely to be seen (for better or worse), and I have much more of a feeling of adding to the conversation. It's more like joining a conversation at a party.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thing is, it can be great for niches! The Star Trek instance is very Star Trek. The TTRPG instance has a lot of potential. If we try to build the fediverse out from these niche nodes first, instead of starting from the general and trying to branch out, it could work a lot better than what we currently have.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I think the people who grew up a bit later may feel this more keenly than some of us olds who used to have to use the yellow pages.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Ya I don't mind and I think it's because this place reminds me a lot of old forums or old reddit. I really miss some of my old forums and the community that would be built there.

. The smaller feel also encourages contributing over lurking, because every individual's comment can actually get read, unlike the huge megathreads of reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Someone has to be the first on the dance floor, and you don't want to be it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most people are obviously more lurkers than contributors. I don't think one should expect that to change, given the vastly different mindsets behind it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have really been enjoying Comic Strips. There can be some political content, but there's plenty of other interesting and funny stuff too.

Rather than trying to replace something else, it's a good idea to look for what's new to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Does lemmy have flairs? Would be useful if they had a mandatory flair for objectionable content

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Build Lemmy and they will come!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Lemmy is amazing. I am so glad I found my way here. I was doom scrolling as well. I had to unsubscribe from all my political communities I had joined and just keep one of my news committees. I then expanded the groups for my other interests. This really helped. You are in control of your time line here.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 day ago (2 children)

you gotta realize reddit didn't just "appear" one day with those obscure niche topics built out. There is a network effect large communities have. We need hundreds of thousands more members before that is possible.

I think you probably weren't there for early reddit, but most of the active posters here on Lemmy were. It was tiny. Like Lemmy.

You can't force those niche communities to exist here. It doesn't work. But what you can do is post and create valuable content. and eventually we may get there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the reason I like Lemmy is because it reminds me of old reddit. Like old old reddit, before the Digg migration.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

It's so weird to me that people are so spoiled today that they feel inconvenienced when there isn't limitless content in their niche fields of interest being served to them on a platter every single day.

Those of us who remember the before times can tell you that the absolute best of a platform comes before that point. I'm sure it's lovely getting your full every single second, but the best conversation, the best education, the best introspection comes when you're allowed a few minutes between stimuli to think.

I feel like "Old woman yells at cloud" but I really feel like our younger folks who crave endless, mindless interaction, don't know what they miss out on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Pardon me for wanting to have a place where I can discuss my hobbies, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can still do that.

Start the conversation. That's what we all did, and where these communities got their start.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (13 children)

I've tried, believe me I've tried. Posting a bunch of threads out into the void doesn't suddenly manifest a like-minded community to reply to and engage with those threads. It won't truly be viable until there's a much larger userbase to begin with.

And honestly, it just comes across as patronizing to say the only reason my hobbies don't have traction here must be because I didn't try hard enough.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And how do you think that larger userbase is going to come into existence?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

it just comes across as patronizing to say the only reason my hobbies don’t have traction here must be because I didn’t try hard enough.

It is absolutely patronizing for people to say that. And you are right to feel that way.

Maybe think about it like this. I collect and propagate one species of orchid as a hobby. Its an obscure species among orchids, which are relatively obscure plants among plant collectors, and plant collecting is a relatively obscure thing among people growing with and interacting with plants, which is a relatively obscure thing in the grand scheme of all things.

So lets assume a 5% conversion rate at every step: There are maybe 40k active users on lemmy?

So of 40k users about 2k are into plants.

Of the 2k users into plants in some manner, about 100 are into plant collecting.

Of the 100 users into plant collecting, maybe 5 are into collecting orchids.

And of the five users collecting orchids, I'm the quarter of one user who collects Vanilla planifolia and Vanilla planifolia var. tahitensis.

So if I acknowledge this, I've got a couple options. First, I could just start a vanilla community. But I really shouldn't expect other people to participate, because I recognize that I'm probably the only vanilla grower on all of lemmy. If I do that, I should probably think about it as a place more like a personal blog or place for me to record my story. And maybe over time, it can grow in popularity and get a following.

Alternatively, I can share my exploits on larger subs, like c/plants, where I'll probably do well because there are more users, and the content I'm sharing is interesting and unique because so few people are into/ do what I do.

So if you can adjust your exceptions, there absolutely is a place for you here. But we're the flea market to Reddit's mall of America approach. But remember, Reddit too started as a flea market. It was a place for internet weirdos with weird hobbies and senses of humor. But appreciate you'll be a lone diamond here, but that gives you a chance to stand out.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't blame them, because they've been conditioned to be consumers of content. While they idealize creators, they also put up barriers in their minds as the the level of quality a given comment, piece of content, whatever, needs to achieve before getting involved.

I try and think of Lemmy as the equivalent of the Linux. We're just going to have lower adoption because there isn't a corporate juggernaut behind us promoting this thing.

But if people really want to know why reddit was able to become reddit, it happened here yesterday with cats. It's bean memes. Its Stör. Its us developing culture of our own as a community.

So its fine. I'm not too worried. We're doing great.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Growth is a process, not an immediate switch. Every social media started small and then grew. If immediatism, or however it is called, was the predominant factor for any struggle to become an achievement, nothing would be achieved.

And on lack of contents, I, for one, block everything that is not of my interest, quite a lot to be honest, specially with certain niches spamming the federated platforms, but even then, I get a feeling I should trim even some of the communities/magazines I follow/subscribe to as I can barely catch up to those already.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Unfortunately, community building is work, and it's work that users actually do on the bigger, corporate sites. Those community builders helped get those spaces going, helped make them appealing, and help trap users there. In smaller spaces like this, we need to be the community builders, not just the content consumers.

One thing I find really helps is to use something that doesn't look like the space you left. Lemmy looks an awful lot like Reddit, but it has themes, and even alternative web clients that can change the experience and make it feel like something new.

Lemmy also isn't the content and communities, it's just the website's server software. You can access... ugh... the "threadiverse"... from websites using other ActivityPub enabled servers. There's an ActivityPub Discourse plugin. nodeBB is adding ActivityPub support in its next version. Friendica and Hubzilla have group support, and work with Lemmy-hosted communities.

Find a new window on social media, and it might help you engage with it differently.

The other thing you can do is just niche down a bit here. Find a few active communities that you're interested in, and focus your attention on them. Lemmy is actually much, much more like classic forums, where communities or spheres of interest have their own website. The difference here is that you can actually look outside of those communities to interact with other forums, too. It works a a lot better if you treat it that way. Find your home, as it were, and branch out from there.

Unfortunately, the modern mental model of social media is the fire hose, not the node-and-spoke that is actually best supported by the technology.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

One suggestion I saw a while ago was to use more general communities for things you're interested in and as it grows then the more niche communities can be made. Ex: post about a specific game you like in gaming up until enough people like it to make a sub for that game. Or post about a song you don't know in asklemmy until enough people do that to make whatsthissong

I totally get wanting the niche communities and, personally, I just lurk reddit completely not voting, posting, or commenting unless as a last resort if I really need to find info that Lemmy isn't able to provide.

It's a slow process and I don't think there'll be another boost of users in Lemmy until reddit does another thing that enshittifies it to annoy people to leave.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Our community [email protected] has for now everything beer, wine, cider... it didn't reach the point of creating another specific, niche community. So I totally get the niche interests aren't represented here yet and the number of homebrewers is big.

Still we get good engagement for lemmy and there are active people from industry, so I wouldn't call it exactly small.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And some times, having the initiative to create such more specific communities could be a change factor for the growth of a social media. Also, with federation, not just the person can choose where to create the community on while not making it a walled garden as other sites would still have access to it, but also if a community for the given subject already exists but the user thinks he can do better, he/she can more easily do it with how expansive the "fediverse" is.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Funny cause I reduced my recent reddit usage cause I got tired of the toxic post election political liberal cope

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