Typical zionists being antisemitic and hurting Jewish people world wide by conflating them with a rogue genocidal nation lead by a wanted war criminal.
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oppose this genocide
Not a genocide
It's a genocide
Genocide
- De-Gaza: A Year of Israel’s Genocide and the Collapse of World Order - Euro-Med Monitor Report see Chapter 2 and 3
On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.
The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.
An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that "Israel's genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole" as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.
Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC
Deliberate Attacks on Civilians
Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:
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The Dahiya Doctrine & Israel’s Use of Disproportionate Force
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‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.
it’s the easiest genocide to prevent, tell hamas to come out and fight on the battlefield and stop hiding behind women and children and in schools and hospitals
Mate, you're fucked in the head.
Yes a genocide you Zionist.
The actual experts in this area disagree with you.
Just checking the experts
The German government insists that there's no genocide taking place in Gaza.
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Hamas is free to fight the IDF on the battlefield or give up hostages and surrender, it has chosen neither
Last I saw they were being kicked out of Qatar after not seriously coming to the table for a cease fire
It’s the only genocide in the world where the elected representatives of a people care less about them than the genociders apparently!
I am answering here assuming you are commenting on good faith. Please give me the same courtesy.
The fact is that the Israeli government chose to respond to actions of a few dozen people by occupying a nation and routinely killing masses of civilians including the bombing of hospitals and schools.
The initial attacks were abhorrent and arguably justified a strong response against the perpetrators, it is difficult for many of us to understand how you can justify punishing an entire nation for the actions of a few dozen people, it is this that draws claims of genocide
The civilian death toll in Gaza is now estimated at more than 180,000. Any argument that this is a proportionate and appropriate response must be either ignorant or in bad faith.
I am happy to respond if you disagree or want to challenge my response here.
The fact is that the Israeli government chose to respond to actions of a few dozen people by occupying a nation and routinely killing masses of civilians including the bombing of hospitals and schools.
LIAR
The attacks began early on 7 October with a barrage of at least 4,300 rockets launched into Israel[31][32][33] and vehicle-transported and powered paraglider incursions into Israel.[34][35] Hamas fighters breached the Gaza–Israel barrier, attacking military bases and massacring civilians in 21 communities, including Be'eri, Kfar Aza, Nir Oz, Netiv Haasara, and Alumim. According to an IDF report that revised the estimate on the number of attackers 6,000 Gazans breached the border in 119 locations into Israel, including 3,800 from the "elite Nukhba forces" and 2,200 civilians and other militants.
Hamas attack comprised six thousands of terrorists, many of whom live streamed the joy and pride they took in raping, torturing and murdering
and Hamas in Gaza comprised many tens of thousands of terrorists
Again. I am answering in good faith assuming you will do the same.
I am perfectly willing to concede that I may have understated the size of the initial attacks and for the sake of argument I will concede your claim that there are 10s of thousands of Hamas terrorists in Gaza.
The issue at stake here is that at least 180,000 civilians have been killed to say nothing of the injuries and other traumas. The IDF has deliberately targeted civilian populations who had nothing to do with the attacks.
Again, I may not be opposed to a proportionate response but to killing hundreds of thousands in response to what you claim was a crime of 6000 people is not proportionate, it is brutal and unnecessary and likely to be counterproductive to any hopes of reducing violence from either side in the future.
Do you have a position on this specially? Do you deny the death toll, or do you assume that all 180,000 killed were terrorists?
I am genuinely interested in your response.
Meanwhile, back in the real world @Seagoon_
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-21/icc-issues-arrest-warrant-for-benjamin-netanyahu/104633044
The fact is that the vast majority of death, destruction and terror in the region have been inflicted by Israel and its Zionist progenitors. Zionists were the original middle-east terrorists and remain the most depraved.
@Joshi
#Zionism
#Palestine
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#genocide
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#terrorism
The fact is that the Israeli government chose to respond to actions of a few dozen people
You know the hamas charter explicitly outlines their desire to wipe israel off the map, from the river to the sea? remember? and they were elected by the Palestinian people who btw still poll numbers for Hamas that the greens dream of getting
You quote “a few dozen people”, it’s clear where your thought process lies and i’m not sure we’re living in the same reality, especially after witnessing the actions of “a few dozen” taliban for the last 20 years
i’m not discussing this further, i don’t have enough interest in this
Certainly there is a justification for a strong response against Hamas. What you need to grapple with is that the response has been against the entire Palestinian population and has caused an enormous death toll of civilian non-combatants.
If I may take your example of the Taliban, a clearly reprehensible organisation. It would not be appropriate for opponents of the Taliban to indiscriminately attack the civilian population of Afghanistan in much the same way that it is not appropriate for the IDF to target the civilian population of Palestine using the crimes of Hamas as justification. Indeed during the Afghanistan war the US and allies took precautions to target fighters and minimise civilian deaths and were rightly criticised when they failed.
Over 10 years of the War in Afghanistan the civilian death toll in Afghanistan was most years less than 4000, in Palestine the civilian death toll is 40 times that in 1 year.
There is no double standard here, no one is saying Israel shouldn't have responded in a proportionate way to the initial Hamas attacks but what Israel is doing is targeting the civilian population in response to the (admittedly reprehensible) actions of, yes, a few dozen people.
I am genuinely interested in hearing your response here, please don't take this as a personal attack but I hope you understand my perspective here.
It is impossible to interpret this in good faith. The German government has obvious conflicts and should not be considered representative of international law. It's as arbitrary as saying "Iran says the IDF eats babies".
The ICC: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/192
at this rate it will take 300 years to exterminate 2 million
Alrighty there champ, are you sure you really wanna do the whole "they don't have enough ovens" bit? Jfc, it's blatantly obvious that Benny from Cheltenham's plan is to forcibly remove the Palestinian population from Gaza and parts of the West Bank to continue pursuing the Israeli state's settler colonialist aims. Y'know, genocide.
you think total Palestinian casualties are less than 7 thousand?
I guess they're faking starving to death.
Australia is a IHRA jurisdiction, so their complaint would be legally valid.
Australia is a member of the IHRA, but no jurisdiction in Australia has adopted the IHRA definition of anti-semitism in their laws.
For those unfamiliar with what we're talking about: https://apan.org.au/factsheet-ihra/
How so?