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Donald Trump Has NOT Won a Majority of the Votes Cast for President (www.thenation.com)

submitted 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Summary

Trump’s popular vote share has fallen below 50% to 49.94%, with Kamala Harris at 48.26%, narrowing his margin of victory.

Trump’s share of the popular vote is lower than Biden’s in 2020 (51.3%), Obama’s in 2012 (51.1%) and 2008 (52.9%), George W. Bush’s in 2004 (50.7%), George H.W. Bush’s in 1988 (53.2%), Reagan’s in 1984 (58.8%) and 1980 (50.7%), and Carter’s in 1976 (50.1%).

The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.

The numbers also give Democrats a reason to push back on Trump’s mandate claims, noting most Americans did not vote for him.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Democrats need to stop wasting time by challenging the results of this election in any way. We're going to be under the control of a party that waives facts and truths so it doesn't matter.

The Democrats need to be re-worked entirely. The reason why they failed this year is like how they failed in 2016. They focused on the whole "TRUMP BAD!" wagon and expected that to carry them. That's great...as a platform. But it was all that they mostly had. Platforms aren't any good if you can't build off from them and that's what the Dems didn't do.

I know and understand that if Harris had a full year of campaigning instead of a handful of months, maybe she could've had a better shot and a better understanding of how she'd turn this country around. But, she fell into the same trap as Clinton did and that's why she lost. She wasn't the entire reason, the Dems had a part in that too collectively, but a part of the reason.

You cannot just scream "THAT MAN BAD" without backing it up and without promise of how you'll do things right - for everyone. Emphasis on 'everyone' because there apparently are some groups that Harris and the Dems failed on and lost their votes. That's important.

Right now, Democrats need to seriously reconstructure.

And I hope that within the first year of this fascist's term of how much shit they'd have to sit, watch and fight over on. That by the 2026 mid-terms, that they get their heads out of their fucking asses.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago

I'm calling him a fascist, and those who voted for him fascists. Fuck this fascist country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

I know and understand that if Harris had a full year of campaigning instead of a handful of months, maybe she could've had a better shot and a better understanding of how she'd turn this country around.

I think she'd have dug herself into a deeper hole, if anything. That's what she did with the time she had available.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

To be clear, because the headline I think is a bit misrepresentative. Trump still has over a million more votes than Harris. He just no longer has over 50% of the votes cast.

It's like 49% Trump, 48% Harris, 3% Other. So Trump still won the popular vote.

This isn't a "the Electoral College screwed us" situation. He still "won" the popular vote. He just didn't win a "majority" of the votes cast.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Wasn't it something like he only gained about 500,000 votes from the last primary election? The reason the Democrats lost was because they lost 10,000,000 due to people just straight up not voting for Kamala by either going 3rd party, switching to Trump, or abstaining. In my opinion it wasn't really Trump's popularity that won him the election but more of just the Democrats lack of popularity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Actually, Harris did nearly as well or better than Biden in the only states that matter, the swing states. In the ones the Harris didn't beat Biden's vote total, even if she had gotten it Trump would have still won the electoral college.

In other words, no it's not because dems didn't vote.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

The fact that a majority of voters did not want Trump to win makes me simultaneously feel happy (that I’m not surrounded by idiots) and more depressed (that the Electoral College has screwed us AGAIN!)

[–] [email protected] 57 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

FPTP should get FAR more attention as the culprit for this situation. Sure, the electoral college caused Kamala to lose (or whatever) but if we had a true democracy, there wouldn’t be only two possible parties to choose from.

FPTP

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

He still had more of the popular vote than Harris, it was just they were both less than 50% due to 3rd party votes. So neither had a "majority" of the vote.

So he still would have won, even under a purely popular vote based system.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Don't worry, you're still surrounded by idiots no matter who wins the presidency

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah does it really make that much of a difference in terms of "being surrounded by idiots" whether 51% of the people around you are idiots or 49%? Sure, I'd prefer the 49% scenario, especially if there's an election happening, but you're still surrounded by idiots.

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[–] [email protected] 157 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It's a lack of majority not a lack of plurality. Harris is still trailing Trump by 3m votes or so (and 1.6%), Trump is just not above 50% after further votes have been counted. So this isn't an electoral college steal

[–] [email protected] 44 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Yeah, but even if Kamala wins the popular vote, this is going to be the closest a republican has gotten in..

Decades?

Maybe longer?

But the DNC is going to latch onto this and try to claim if they had moved just a little more right they'd have won.

Regardless of what happens, the DNC will always say the answer is moving to the right.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Regardless of what happens, the DNC will always say the answer is moving to the right.

This isn't borne out by trending or statements. What kind of crystal ball are you smoking?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well yeah they're strategists are essentially corporate lobbyists.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Since when has reality made any difference at all to Trump?

He doesn't believe he has a mandate because the numbers add up that way, so he's not going to believe he doesn't because they don't. He believes he has a mandate because he's the bestest and smartest and most perfect president ever in the history of ever. And he's never going to stop believing that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

It makes a big difference to him, personally. He's a walking ego, and the fact that the American people aren't in a majority behind him will gnaw at him.

It means fuck all in any practical way. At best, the country isn't quite as giving into fascism as we thought. That's the best I got, and it ain't much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

76+ million fascists voted for a fascist. Period.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The big problem is we all think someone else will solve this issue. All the investigations, congress, and even the public... they did nothing.

Run for office. Start small. Kick them out of the school boards follow their playbook and work bottom up.

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