this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
18 points (95.0% liked)

No Stupid Questions

35831 readers
1185 users here now

No such thing. Ask away!

!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.



Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.



Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.

If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.



Credits

Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!

The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

It would be nice to just be automatically vaccinated for everything just by hanging out.

top 13 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Kind of. It's called inoculation. The best example is if you caught cow pox you became immune, or nearly so at least to small pox which was deadly

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's what you call a viral vector. Apparently the Sputnik V vaccine for COVID used this approach.

Edit: Sorry, wait, do you mean like designing a viral vector-based vaccine and spraying it into the air to vaccinate everyone around? That seems like it'd run afoul of some kind of ethics things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This was close to the plot of the 1973 science fiction story "By Any Other Name" by Spider Robinson, later expanded to the novel "Telempath". The story won a Hugo award but the virus scheme didn't work out so great.

https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/apocalypse.php#smelly2

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago

Yes. There are virus vector vaccines already in existence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine

For example, adenovirus vector vaccines were created for COVID-19: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Adenovirus_vector_vaccines

Those are non-replicating though.

Live attenuated vaccines also exist -- which can replicate -- but those work by using a weakened/modified version of the original harmful live virus the vaccine is intended to protect against: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine

Oral polio vaccine is a well-known example.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

This a good thought, but I think that's how you get the T virus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Most early vaccines were less dangerous viruses related to more dangerous ones and which provided cross-immunity once free immune system had learned it.

Then there's been plenty of vaccines with dead virus particles, as well as modified live viruses (dangerous viruses which was weakened, neutralized, or sterilized, or even mild viruses equipped with recognizable but harmless proteins from dangerous viruses) to more safely expose you directly to the pathogen.

Then mRNA and protein subunits and some other types drops the full virus part and provides methods to expose you to only small pieces

It's generally speaking risky to try to create custom infectious viruses. A significant factor is that triggering the mechanisms for mass production of virus particles in the body can be enough to trigger harmful reactions (immune dysregulation, cell death, etc). Stuff like this is why even viruses you think are harmless still kills people every flu season

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Even if you were to create a novel virus to achieve that goal something nasty would eventually evolve to mimic it and we'd have no defense.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago

There are oncolytic viral therapies, where viruses are modified to kill cancer cells. So, sure probably.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

So you want to engineer a living, evolving, highly contagious virus that contains enough of a dangerous virus to train your immune system to be resistant to that dangerous disease?

Do you not see how bad an idea that is?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Except viruses aren't living, and we already use them for vaccines.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, that's why I asked. Hopefully someone can enlighten us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

I'll enlighten you, It's a bad idea. Engineering intentionally contagious things is far too likely to go wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago