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Back in the medieval ages when a woman was married to a man, they were basically considered property for my understanding and treated like an extension of the man's person and family. So it was customary for women to take the man's last name since they were being joined to his family. But now here in the 21st century women are fully independent and last names don't really seem to mean much of anything. I mean what is Smith or McGregor or any last name really mean anymore? Especially in the digital age, lots of people have digital usernames like SarahSmith1727373. So the last name clearly doesn't mean much anymore.... Which leads me to wonder, why do the majority of women still take the man's last name? Especially when some of them have a horrible last name? I have seen some butt ass ugly last names recently, like Fink, Weimer, Slotsky/Slotsky, Hiscock (no joke this is a last name), Hardman.... And then you hear the woman's name and it's like something way more reasonable and less stupid sounding like Kingman, or Harrison, Walls, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago

Because everyone knows who the mother is through birth and following months/years if they're lucky, and the only connection a father has with his children is a last name.

It's quite reasonable that mums want the same surname as their children so ..

The trouble with that is that between twenty and thirty percent of children, depending on source, call the wrong person 'dad'.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago

You're seriously wondering why women would want to take Hardcock? Buddy, I hate to be the one one to have to tell you this, I even hate to even type it, but women LOVE Hardcock. It's a fun name. It's fun to say. What woman wouldn't want Hardcock coming out of their mouth? Plus you get to attend the family gatherings on holidays and family reunions. Just a woman, surrounded by Hardcocks. Hardcocks as far as the eye can see!

.........why is everybody giggling?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 43 minutes ago

It's tradition in my country but not mandatory. The archaic government system is also easier to navigate through if a married couple have same the last name. Because it's so common for a wife to take her husband's last name, it immediately raises eyebrows when people claim to be married but have different surnames. In our case, my wife took my last name because she just likes it better than hers. It's neutral and easier to pronounce.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

When I get married, I'm thinking hyphenated, with her using her last name first, and vice versa. But last names can be pretty large. Idk how to tackle that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

Now is the lastname Kangaroo, or PussyKangeroo?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 minutes ago

Ackshually, its El Kangaroo, the Pussy is silent.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago

Because most countries have been patriarchal for most of human history. Old habits die hard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This isn’t a thing in India unless there is a ‘value’ in the surname.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't India also use a system where your marriage is set up 30 years ahead of time while your mom is still pregnant with you?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

I'm a fan of the hyphen strategy. I really don't wanna change my last name just cause I fell in love. But hyphenation sounds like a good compromise.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

I went from a "normal" western last name that was ethnically coded (like McCoy) to another ethnically coded name (like Nguyen, or - um - Fink).

My options were to keep a common and dull name that I share with people I don't like, get a new one (that I'd need to spell to every customer service representative ever), hyphenate (HELL NO), or make up something new (which would involve a shitstorm among relatives on both sides.)

The only real options were A and B. I was undecided until we were leaving the county courthouse after we were married. He asked me "are you going to change your name?" He didn't care. He thought it was a weird custom and was curious. And I realized - this is an opportunity. It's a relatively easy and socially acceptable way to shed your old name.

I took it.

The new name honestly messes with quite a few people who are meeting me for the first time, and it's interesting to see how they react. I've had people ask straightforward questions (I prefer that - there's an easy and straightforward answer), get half-way through a straight-up racist comment before they stutter to a stop (helps me get to know them), get all the way through a racist comment (again - helpful to know where you stand), or just not comment at all (just fine by me).

I've found that it's not the worst way to get a read on someone.

tldr: part spite, part novelty, part legitimately helpful when your profession means you need to meet strangers and get a quick read on their personality/potential biases/willingness to be straightforward when there's no reason to be weird about it

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I took my partner's last name because I like their family more than mine, and I liked the idea of no longer being associated with my family.

But I think most people just want to do what is normal or expected of them, so I would imagine that is why most women change their name. Not doing so would go against the grain, putting them in awkward situations where they have to explain they didn't take the last name.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

My partner likes my family more than hers, but has continued to keep her ex-husband's surname because she likes it better than both her childhood one and mine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

........was her ex Hardcock?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

My wife didn't and years down the line she says she wish she had. We have to go through more with medical things and such to show we are related and it was like a simple checkbox for her to do it when we got married but to do it now is a major pain in the ass.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I have a coworker whose maiden name is Dykes. She was very happy to change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

My wife took my last name because she had her father’s last name. He abandoned her shortly after birth and never attempted to get in touch with her. He quit jobs to avoid paying support. She did it to remove that last vestige of him from her life. Had she had her mother’s last name we would have hyphenated our names together.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Having the same last name is just an easy way to show togetherness and unity. My wife kept her last name because she earned her MD with it but she's fine going by Mrs. (my last name) in a parental setting.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah but it's easy when both parents already had the same last name 🪕

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

My wife and I think it is. I took her last name since it meant more to her.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

My mother kept her last name. There was never an issue at school etc. I run into more issue now, everyone thinks my uncle (mom’s brother) is my dad because of the last names.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 hours ago

I think each woman has her own reasons (some people actually like traditions) but I have the impression that, globally, women are not the same as what we see online. I think today the taking of a surname does not indicate ownership or property, at least to most modern women (and men).

I don't think any woman thinks like that anymore, or perhaps not many, so the motivations would then also be obviously different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

This conversation is so white and western culture centric. Many cultures have different norms. Centering on this as the normal/accepted route is strange given how international our societies have become.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

My friends in Italy have told me that it's not normal to change your surname after marriage. They could be messing with me, though. They're mildly evil.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

True, for instance in Québec, Canada, it is illegal for a woman to take her husband name.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

To all the people here arguing that it's easier to have a family name, especially with children: It's also possible that the husband takes the wife's name. But from anecdotal evidence in my acquaintance, most men are very opposed to this idea. So if the woman wants a family name she has to change her name or have endless fights about it. That's why most women I know did it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Having one name is easier for social reasons. Going with the man's name is easier for social reasons.

It all comes down to social pressure to keep the status quo. I even offered to take my wife's last name and she declined and took mine instead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

We had a brief talk where I said I like my name and wouldn’t change it. I also said that while I prefer the tradition of her changing hers, that I understood it’s not really my choice. She did anyway

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

In Sweden, a couple can choos to have a new last name not related to either.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You can choose another last name when you get married in the US too, but people just don't choose to for the most part. The marriage license name change is a shortcut to a regular name change that can be made through the courts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Oh didn't know that

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago

Having one name (at least in common, using hyphenation) is easier for legal reasons too. If you have kids, and one parent doesn't share a last name with them, you'll have headaches at school, maybe crossing a border, unless you brought some extra legal documents with, etc.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Well, my last name isn't my mom's last name, it's my dad's, and her last name was her dad's, then her husband's. So why do I care, I don't get a matrilineal name anyway.

I hyphenated, because we both had kids when we got married, and it made it easier to deal with the school stuff for my stepkids.

Otherwise, I really just don't care because my family name is my dad's name and it was only my mom's name because she changed hers to his. Not that I didn't care about my dad, was closer to him than my mom. I just mean I don't feel like it means anything.

ETA: as the OP says, though - I really, truly don't understand it when a lady has a cool last name and the man an awful one and they still use his. I used to work at a payroll place and saw this happen over and over, someone would be calling up for us to change their last name from, say, Valiant or DeLeon to Assing, or Fuckler or something . Really, why wouldn't he be the one happy to change in that scenario?

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