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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Officers showed up at the home and found a man struggling with a woman over a knife. An officer opened fire and struck the man, killing him at the scene. Only later did they discover the man who was killed lived at the home and was struggling to fend off the woman who had broken into his home.

Police say Brandon Durham, 43, had called 911 and reported multiple people outside his home shooting, then told the 911 operator that someone had entered his home through the front and back doors and he was locking himself in the bathroom.

He also told the 911 operator that he was home with his 15-year-old daughter, according to police. Officers kicked open the door after arriving on scene and hearing someone screaming as well as damage to vehicles parked outside the property, police said.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

"After Brandon Durham falls to the floor the officer shoots him five more times."

Sounds like a fucking execution.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago

Typical day on the job for police then

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Dipshit probably on paid leave

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago

He won't even get that. They'll play it off like he had to make a call before the knife killed someone and that it's unfortunate the homeowner got shot. Even though you can clearly see the knife is in her hand....

The police don't do anything wrong this was proven when they investigated themselves....

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Guy had some violent criminals outside his house trying to break in and hurt him and his family. Calls the cops. Now he's got an extra violent criminal with a gun who breaks into his house and kills him. Why does anyone call the cops anymore???

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

What else do you do? I get the point but who else deals with that if you can't? At a certain point you have to roll those dice right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Personally I blast a monolog sequence from an old mobster movie and then fire blank rounds of a tommy gun

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago

And then give them to the count of 10 to get their ugly, yellow, no-good keister off my property, before I pump their guts full of lead.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

But a gun, learn to use it, call a lawyer then cops. Or gamble on the cops and going fisticuffs with a knife like this poor guy did.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Smash cut to Rambo over here in an actual perceived thread, tripping over his footie pajamas in the dark and shooting himself in the dick with the first bullet and his neighbor in the face with second. Then reveals that the "gang of migrants" "breaking in" was actually just mormon kids knocking on your door to tell you about home pest control service they are also selling on their iPads.

You secured the perimeter, dipshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Sure is a nice straw man you built for yourself to jerk off over.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

a bunch of guys breaking into your house and you with one gun will probably have the same outcome

especially if you store it safely, locked in a safe, unloaded, ammo separate

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Then store it safely, fully loaded, with one in the chamber.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

that's not how responsible gun owners are meant to store it

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Uh, no. Firearms are nearly pointless if they cannot be used.

Store it loaded in a quick release safe or hidden in such a manner that it will not be accidentally accessed.

Something like this

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

I agree that cops aren't responsible gun owners.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Person that looks like they were just outside, with crime hoodie and all? Probably not the suspect. Some guy half naked in his evening wear? POW POW POW!!!

Shit like this will be the police's downfall, because once the people don't trust you, you're not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 27 minutes ago

you’re not a policie force, but civilian suppression force.

Corporate has asked you to describe the difference between these two pictures.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

an officer-involved shooting occurred

Only the officer was involved in shooting.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

that and the homeowner he wrongfully shot i guess but yeah mainly the cop shot while everyone else just got to be a part of being shot at

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

As a person of color, we do not trust the police.

This is why.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago

I'm the whitest white guy who ever whited, but I don't trust the police for the same reasons.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Never call the police why we all need to be armed. Seriously dude called for help and was killed in by the people who was supposed to protect him.

What they do to the lady who had broken in?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

What they do to the lady who had broken in?

From the article:

Boudreaux was not hit by gunfire. She was booked for home invasion with a deadly weapon, assault with a deadly weapon child abuse and domestic violence.

I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up charged with felony murder because of the cop's escalation, though.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

100%, ultimately she is the cause, and also, you KNOW the police ain't stepping up to take their own accountability.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure gender also came into play.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

About a year ago I had a very disruptive neighbor. Every night he would bring tons of women over and play loud music, and yell over the music with the people he had over.

Then, in the daytime he had a girlfriend, who worked nights. Every day she'd come over and they'd yell for hours and hours. She had a legitimate reason to be angry at him. He was the father of his child. He never married her, and in the 6 months he'd been a father he got 2 other bitches pregnant. Her words, not mine. On top of that, he was calling off work to invite MORE bitches over, and making up the lost money by pawning her jewelry. Which only got him $23 because the pawn dealer ripped him off. She says it was real gold, real diamonds. And the jeweler convinced him to sell for $23.

On top of that, he wouldn't even let her and his son move in with him because it would "clash with his business". Essentially he was just giving excuse after excuse after excuse.

Why she didn't just leave him, and sue for child support, I don't know. He was clearly using her. He didn't love her. They fought daily. Neither of them were happy. And as they fought, the baby cried and cried and cried.

I asked him to keep it down. Others in the building asked the same. His indoor voice was louder than most peoples "onstage without a microphone" voice.

In short, for 8 months it was a daily struggle to sleep.

But I only complained to the landlord. Never the police. When my sister found out, she couldn't imagine what I meant by "This isn't something to be resolved by the police".

My sister is a Karen. A real bad one. She wants all her problems to go away with a complaint from her to someone else.

But she never stops to put herself in others shoes. I restrain myself from saying I "hated" that neighbor. Only because I reserve hate to be powerful and meaningful. So I don't hate him. However I do think he was highly inconsiderate not only to his girlfriend/son, but also all around him at any given time.

A real "main character" complex.

Still though, I didn't call the police, because I didn't feel his inconsiderate behavior prompted a risk of death.

IF (any that's a big IF), If police could be trusted to arrive, handle citizen resolution in a fair non-violent way, then yes, I'd have called the cops. I certainly felt it was a job they SHOU LD do. It just didn't feel like a job they COULD be trusted to do.

And none of my family/white friends could understand why. All of my black friends did.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I understand your motivations, but I think that guy would still have found his tires running flat on a regular basis. And his power going out. And any other petty things I could think of to make his life worse.

I hate that guy, whether you say it or not. He is bringing unwanted, unloved children into a world where they will always be at least a step behind their peers, and without any understanding of why their world is so hard. And the reason is THAT GUY. So fuck him. He deserves what he gets.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Partying all night every night, a kid would "disturb his business"?

Yeah I'm pretty sure this was some sort of low level hustler of some sort of stimulants, whatever might be the go-to wherever the earlier commenter is from.

I really wouldn't suggest making people like that annoyed in small ways like that, because they would never connect it to being a consequence of them acting that way and it would only make them more mad, probably making him more likely to harm others.

So... while it would be cathartic, remember to think twice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

The escalation is what I'm welcoming.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I never call the police for shit like that either. Some big animal is standing in the road? Sure. Car accident? Sure. If they’re already at the scene I’ll talk to them.

I’ve never seen anything get better in a heated situation because the cops showed up.

I grew up in complete chaos though. I seen my dad get beat half to death by them when I was a kid, followed a few years later by my brother being tackled and kicked at the bottom of our stairs.

My brother was a beast though, so I’m not sure anyone else could have controlled him that night.

He somehow survived being the beast he was and he’s a good father and a contributing member of society these days. Better than me actually.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It sounds like there was child abuse happening. Imo, you made a mistake not calling the police.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Woosh af. Bullets dont solve child abuse social workers and crisis response do

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like OP did neither. While I dont trust cops at all, statistically, it would have been better to make the call because they more often than not don't shoot people. And actually, yes, bullets would solve the child abuse problem, just not in a way anybody would want. Can't abuse a child if you're dead.

I'd absolutely roll the dice for the child's safety over the piece of shit parents life.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Im sure watching their shitty parents getting murdered in front of them would do wonders for their mental health.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You're making the assumption that there's a 100% chance that they will get shot. Cops suck, but they don't shoot 100% of the time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

One is more than it should be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

I agree, but potentially rescuing a child from abuse, to me, is worth the low risk. Inaction is complacency.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 22 hours ago

As a European, I am sorry that the US police is incompetent and dangerous like this that you cannot trust them to handle these kind of situations and have to be afraid that someone gets killed. In other countries this would be standard case to call the police for, although they could only handle the disturbance aspect if there is no direct indication of violence or abuse