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The static on old CRT TVs with rabbit ears was the cosmic microwave background. No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

You can still hear it on the radio. Although most of the noise floor is probably man made.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

On a CRT? Sure, probably a lot haven't seen it. On a modern TV? Still possible for some - mine does this if I hit the channel button rather than volume accidentally.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Do you think CRTs just magically disappeared after the turn of the millennium?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

My family had several tvs that did this until around 2013

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My mother had one of these. I got to use it as a hand-me-down as a teenager because my mother was abusive AF.

For clarity, the subject of the TV wasn't the abusive part. Her rationale of "I didn't have one when I was a kid so you don't get to have one while you're a kid" was. It didn't apply just to the TV.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

yeah i have

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I think they call it "analog horror noise" now, along with vhs cassettes.

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Feel the passage of time XD

[–] [email protected] 140 points 5 months ago

Well, not really. The cosmic microwave background radiation was a tiny fraction of that noise. What everyone saw was mostly thermal noise generated by the amplifier circuit inside the TV.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By the way, the picture illustrating the post isn't actually displaying the real thing - the noise in it is too squarish and has no grey tones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

TV static in recent movies and shows that are set in the past almost always instantly pull me out of the narrative because no one seems to be able to get it right and some are just stunningly bad. It's usually very subtle, so much so that I'm not sure I could even describe what's wrong. Makes me feel old to notice it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think the problem is because CRT displays didn't have pixels so the uniform noise which is static was not only uniformely spread in distribution and intensity (i.e. greyscale level) but also had "dots" of all sizes.

Also another possible thing that's off is the speed at which the noise changes: was it the 25fps refresh rate of a CRT monitor, related to that rate but not necessarily at that rate or did the noise itself had more persistent and less persistent parts?

The noise is basically the product of radio waves at all frequencies with various intensities (though all low) with only the ones that could pass the bandpass filter of the TV tuner coming through (and being boosted up in intensitity by automatic gain control) and being painted along a phosphorous screen (hence no pixels) as the beam draw line by line the screen 25 times per second so to get that effect right you probably have to simulate it mathematically from a starting point of random radio noise and it can't be going through things with pixels (such as 3D textures) to be shown and probably requires some kind of procedural shader.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Except for that most of it was not.
A lot of the noise on the screen (and speaker) was affected by radiation from nearby stuff.

I'd think that nowadays, it would be even more so, with way more WiFi and mobile phone signals everywhere. Now sure, different frequencies mean they would affect less, but the cumulative effect would still be more than the CMBR.

Also, I have a flat-screen CRT at home.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

You mean the attack of the ants?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. - William Gibson, Neuromancer

One of the most beautiful opening lines to a novel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

One of the most beautiful opening lines to a novel.

Abundantly clearly not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

This is it:
“It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents—except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Torrents >> TV

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you remember that it was written in 1984, the color is obviously black and white static. If you don’t think about the year, you might be lead to believe it is blue.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

People didn't just mass-destroy CRTs in 1999...

I bought an LCD TV in 2006 (a Sony Bravia that is still going strong) and that was earlier than most people I know switched

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Our cable provider (my parents like cable TV) had analog channels even like 2 years ago, but they started encrypting everything which required purging the analog selection.

This sucks. At worst analog would be grainy, digital just keeps cutting out in worse conditions.
I wish there was also still analog OTA TV for this reason. Much easier to pick up usable signal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Sixth and Seventh Generation video game consoles were still using scart/composite/component outputs for CRT up until their discontinuation in 2017 so I’m pretty sure a lot of kids would have had a CRT to game on as well was watch TV in their rooms.

Remember, kids typically get the hand me downs when the adults get new shiny.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

I mean you can still find a CRT today and turn it on if you like, they're less common for sure, but they're still around if you're looking for one

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Kids born after 2000 aren’t looking for one

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Dude I'd kill for the opportunity to get my hands on a half-decent CRT

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

You'd be surprised, some people born in the 2000s want them for the retro factor now

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well that's a lie, I know an early 20 year old who's into retro games and has definitely been to an arcade with CRTs in the past year or so. It's not a stretch to imagine he's seen static on one

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 5 months ago (4 children)

CRTs was in use well into the 2000s

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Technically, it's not about the display technology, but instead about the signal/tuner. More specifically if it's analog or digital. Some modern TVs still have analog or hybrid tuners for backwards compatibility and regions that still use analog, so they can display static. For instance, in Ukraine we finished the switch to digital TV only a couple of years ago. If your TV had no digital tuner (as was the case for many) you had to buy a DAC box. Retirees/pensioners got them for free, sponsored by the government.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Even before the 2000s they started showing a blue screen instead of static.

That wasn't just a digital or flat panel thing.

But of course old sets were around for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

What are they hiding from us?!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

My memory of the exacts here are fuzzy, but I think this depended on whether or not your TV picked up digital signal, analog, or both. I remember around that time we had a TV that would pick up static on some channels and have a blue input screen on others.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

It's definitelly an analog over the air TV thing.

The way digital works you would either get a "No signal" indicator (because the circuitry detects the signal to noise ratio is too low) or squarish artifacts (because of the way the compression algorithms for digital video are designed).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

I'm talking long before digital channels existed. (In the US anyway)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I was still using a CRT as recently as 2012. I think OP means analogue TVs.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, my youngest sibling has definitely seen CRTs. My niblings probably haven’t, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I thought they were teaching it in all the schools? /s

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Born 2000, yes i have. So has my younger brother

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