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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22332949

JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago

So, accept cybertrucks in the narrow streets of Italian hill towns, high fructose corn syrup in all food, freedom of hate speech driving vulnerable voices out of your public square, and AR-15s for everyone who wants one, or we throw you to the Orcs?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We should really start to believe them when they say these things, and prepare accordingly.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago

Sure that's not corrupt at all.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (6 children)

What a weird tactic for such a weird, little person.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago (14 children)

So, the US wants to lose the only influence it actually has on Europe?

I say go for it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Oh so they're copying infamous and largely ineffective wolf warrior tactics from China. Good way to make every single country despise and look down on the US.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Looking down at the US is actually the norm for other countries.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Please tell me the whole world isn’t going to suck his balls like last time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm hoping my State doesn't suck his balls like last time.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Cool, no more need for American military bases in our countries then. Or sharing intelligence with them. Or propping up their arms industry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

People in Sardinia are going to be happy about this

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There's still that little issue of building up your own. Most EU countries have been demilitarizing for 30 years more and more, with the strategy being "it's a new world without wars, and also big daddy USA will protect us, and if not them, then Britain and France will". Britain has done an exit, and France alone is kinda lazy.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Most EU countries have been demilitarizing for 30 years more and more, with the strategy being "it's a new world without wars, and also big daddy USA will protect us,l

That's not the Europe I see now and sounds like a US President trope. I would agree that post-Cold War that was the case, but I'd say in the last decade at least, it's not.

But, genuine question as I'm open to being wrong, saved this is an area that interests me, do you have sources for this?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago

Nah. It's a trope all right.

"For 20 years" is fine.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Britain has in no way done an exit. Going out of a trade and economic union has nothing to do with their military commitments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

To defense as part of NATO - yes.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 5 days ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Republican vice presidential nominee and Ohio senator claimed in an interview with YouTuber Shawn Ryan that a top EU official had threatened to arrest the billionaire [Musk] if he allowed former President Trump back on X.

“So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?” Vance asked. “It’s insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn’t going to be pro-free speech. […]

“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.”

The US ranked 26th in the world when it comes to free speech, with several members of the European Union higher up the list, according to the 2024 Global Expression Report.

If anyone is interested these countries are ahead of the USA from 1-25: Denmark Switzerland Sweden Belgium Estonia Norway Finland Ireland Germany Iceland Portugal Austria New Zealand Canada Argentina Spain Czech Republic Italy Latvia Costa Rica Uruguay France Dominican Republic Netherlands Vanuatu

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Insult Musk on Twitter, wait until posts are censored, sue X for not having freedom of speech. How's that for American values?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Freedom of speech only applies against the government. Private companies are free to throw you off their platforms for any reason or no reason at all.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This is expected. A hallmark of fascism is state capitalism — a fusion of the corporation and the state — with corporations administered more like org units of the fascist party.

Many of us have been saying that this is the natural end state of capitalism all along, if it's allowed to run its course.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Problem is that it's hurting the economy, meaning that if your hypothesis is right, capitalism collapses rather quickly if left on it's on devices.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (4 children)

🤨... You ever heard of a place called China?

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Old article, btw. This is from Sept 2024. I get that's what he promised, and while I think he's a complete asshat, let's not discount that he and Trump said and will say anything to appear smart, capable, and as if they have a plan.

Time will tell if this actually comes to pass, but I'm not actually going to hold my breath for this one.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Good note, I didn't notice that in the original post. I edited the title

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

The orange dickhead is not yet at his new place, but the asshole followers are already raging :(

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Don't threaten them with good times

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Disgusting regime whore don't wait to get into the ~~white~~ whore house before he starts earning its fee.

I hope musk donkey bunches it after their nest tryst...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Suck our misinformaphalus and don’t apply your own laws or we will abandon you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Sounds like fascist talk, yeah.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Earth is lovely, it's humanity I struggle with.

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