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Maybe I am going crazy, but I have noticed a difference about ice cream and its only been Maybe the last 8-10 years was when I first noticed it.

Ice cream from the supermarket doesn't seem to melt properly, and is also way too soft. This seems most noticeable in novelties now, but also most hard ice cream as well.

Did they add some component to make it softer or less likely to freezer burn? Am I just going crazy?

(US, but I assume anywhere else where the same brands are sold have had the same issue.)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Changed with ice cream in general? No. But there are things that have been possible to add to ice cream for a while that do what you describe. It could be that you're just starting to notice, you shifted brands, or the brand you liked shifted formulations.

Many people dislike the things that get added to ice cream, and so there are definitely brands out there that don't include those things.
In my opinion the worst of the additives is not nearly as bad as a lot of people would make them out to be.

In the broadest sense possible ice cream is sugar, fat, water and thickener where the fat has been cooled to a solid and allowed to just start to re-form into a lump, the ice hasn't been allowed to form crystals big enough to notice, and the thickener and sugars glue the fat and ice together such that they trap miniature air bubbles.
Some people insist that the fat and thickener have to come from cow milk in the form of milk fat and milk proteins, but that's a bit pedantic for my tastes.

The easiest way to cheap out on ice cream is to add a lot more air. Since we sell it based on volume, if we churn more air into it we get more ice cream to sell for the same quantity of ingredients, and the only effect is that the ice cream is lighter, softer and fluffier.
There's a legal maximum to how much air you can mix in though.

The next hurdle you run into is that milk proteins are actually kinda shit at keeping those air bubbles trapped. Adding things like guar gum or carrageenan will make it much gloopier and hold those air bubbles better.
This makes the ice cream last longer in a warehouse without the bubbles getting out and leaving your ice cream as a brick.

Next is rampant ice crystal spread, which can turn the ice cream into a brick in the warehouse. This can be slowed down using something called methylcellulose. It's basically processed plant fiber ground into a powder. It's also used in pills as the inert binder, and as a dietary fiber source.
It's popular because is known to be safe and inert, it's very cheap, it prevents ice crystal formation, and it has the fun quirk of getting thicker as it warms, for the added property of keeping your ice cream fluffy and areated as it warms up on your drive home.

Finally, you can tweak the fat blend. This one isn't as common because milk fat is already insanely cheap since we subsidize the hell out of the dairy industry.
Changing the blend to use fats that are solid at higher temperatures does have utility for things you expect to be eaten slower, at higher temperatures, or if you want parents to not be mad that your ice cream makes kids extra sticky.

By far the biggest way that I've cream will save costs is by putting as much air in it as possible. It lets them sell you less in the same size box for the same price.
It's a case where shrinkflation means making things bigger, which is fun.

The brands that didn't take that route invariably rebranded as "premium" ice creams, so they can charge more for the same thing without raising consumer ire.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I will never get over Breyer's ice cream going cheap.

Have you looked at Häagen-Dazs? I only looked at their plain chocolate flavor, but the ingredients are only Cream, Skim Milk, Cane Sugar, Cocoa Processed With Alkali, and Egg Yolks. That's the real deal right there!

I like Ben and Jerry's, but I definitely know that it's not "real" ice cream. They shine because they have good flavor combinations.

Bruster's and Graeter's are ice cream shops that make their ice cream in-house. They also contain stabilizers but I prefer it over what's in the grocery store. I'm not sure if that is because I'm used to it or what. If you have a location for either of these near you, I would check them out.

Lastly, I would check if you have any local places that make their own ice cream. You might find what you're looking for there.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

There are social media videos I seen where the cheaper brands of ice cream no longer melt, even after days of sitting on the counter. Same for the cheap ice cream sandwiches. Days and they don't lose their shape.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out they no longer need refrigeration beyond the preference of enjoying it cold versus warm.

Many parts of the EU often has North American travellers amazed how well they feel while eating *there during their vacations and how awful they feel when coming back to the north American diet. What's a few chemicals many will say.

It just seems everything from bread to pasta, dairy, meat, desserts etc doesn't seem to make you feel as awful as north American food can.

I love *Haagen Dazs vanilla bean ice cream. It's not the cheapest but it's one of the cleanest I can find among the big brands. Walmart etc usually has it the cheapest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've found that most generic store brand ice creams are high quality. Double check the label to make sure it actually says "ice cream" and not "frozen dairy dessert" or something. Ice cream is a regulated term and requires a minimum percentage of buttermilk to be called such.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

guar gum, xantham gun, locust bean extract, etc - all emulsifers or texture additives used to mask lower product quality and allow more air to be whipped in.

Even the expensive stuff, Ben & Jerrys (sold out to PE a while ago), boutique brands at Whole Foods, and even Kirkland premiun have the same list of bullshit.

The only brand I can reliably find without them is Haagen Dazs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

The question has been answered, but How Stuff Works has a good article which goes into detail.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Thank you, I knew I had seen this question before

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

I like to pay extra for a good ice cream that has just natural ingredients in it and not a bunch of chemicals.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They started using stabilizers in cheap ice cream a while back. That helps it have the fluffy texture you expect even though it doesn't have nearly enough fat to churn up nicely by itself.

Buy expensive ice cream with a higher fat content (more cream content and or egg yolks,) it's worth the extra money.

Also it helps to bring an insulated freezer bag when you go to the store, the melt and refreeze between the store freezer and home does unpleasant things to ice cream texture. If you've ever had icy or hard ice cream it has probably melted at some point during transit before refreezing.

Edit: if you feel like microdosing ice cream facts today here's a treat from 18y ago: https://archive.ph/2012.09.09-004911/http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/dining/26cream.html?_r=1. Cheap ice cream is a pretty heavily engineered food at this point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Ice cream is always about churning air into cream. But nowadays the air ratio has definitely gone up. Seemingly across the board.

And that assumes that you're not buying a brand that has gotten into the fakery.

[–] [email protected] 200 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

You aren’t imagining it, they add various types of gum and additives to slow melting rates of real ice cream, and a lot of ice cream is straight up fake - “frozen dairy dessert” is a euphemism for fake ice cream often padded out with cheaper ingredients like vegetable oils.

https://www.foodandwine.com/drumstick-ice-cream-doesnt-melt-tiktok-8635415

Honestly now-a-days one of the few ways we are going to protect ourselves is to rely on the ingredients list our governments mandate and familiarize ourselves with what products are actually what they claim they are, whether they contain anything questionable, and what euphemisms they use to hide undesirable ingredients. (Hydrogenated Oil == ~~Trans~~ Saturated Fat, Natural Sweeteners == Sugar, Corn Syrup == cheap substitute for sugar)

For those of us in the US (yes I know this is world - sorry) we can only hope the brain worm dead bear boy doesn’t gut the FDA as badly as he promises, or companies are going to start adding all sorts of fun stuff to our food.

Educate yourself and your friends about “the poison squad”, fascinating story of the kinds of crazy shit they used to put in food. Copper sulfate in canned peas and such.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

“frozen dairy dessert”

It's "frozen dessert" because they can't say ice cream when they take out dairy.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For those of us in the US (yes I know this is world - sorry) we can only hope the brain worm dead bear boy doesn’t gut the FDA as badly as he promises, or companies are going to start adding all sorts of fun stuff to our food.

Educate yourself and your friends about “the poison squad”, fascinating story of the kinds of crazy shit they used to put in food. Copper sulfate in canned peas and such.

Oh, Jesus. I'm autistic and rely on safe foods, I can't wait for them to start killing me now

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Cook meals at home when possible. You're not the only one that doesn't like what corporations do to food, autistic or not.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hydrogenated Oil == Trans Fat

Just as a point of chemistry clarity, partially hydrogenated oils contain trans fat, fully hydrogenated oils do not. Partially hydrogenated oils are no longer GRAS by the FDA and shouldn’t be in any commercially sold foods, except the amount that occurs naturally in foods like butter.

Fully hydrogenated oils still have saturated fat so it’s not like it’s healthy, but it’s not as bad as trans fat.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Another NoStupidQuestion, what are trans and saturated fats anyway?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Mayo Clinic has a good overview here that explains about the different types of fats

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Depending, it could be your freezer, if you’re storing it there for a bit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As there may be regional differences, you might want to specify your area. For example, ice cream in the UK doesn't have to meet the same requirements as in the USA, so oddities like cheap ice cream made with no dairy or cream is possible, using vegetable oil instead. Evan Edinger has a video on UK ice cream in particular: https://youtu.be/CfM7yZD0PlE

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I am from the US and I first noticed it a long time ago with certain novelty type ice cream products. Then eventually it seemed like some of the cheaper brands changed to add whatever softening thing to it. Now it seems like almost all brands have it, even regional brands known for their quality seem to be the same.

I almost remember it was advertised by the regional brand Friendly's as "creamy", and you could buy other flavors and avoid it... but now it's all seems to be like that.

Also, they just don't really seem to freezer burn nearly as bad, which is nice... if you liked the product in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In the USA/Canada the cheapo ice cream is labeled "frozen dairy dessert", instead of "ice cream".

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It means you're getting the lesser quality ones. The ones that don't have as much cream in them and are filled with other stuff. There's some higher quality brands to look out for, like Kawartha. Also, you can get something like the ninja creamii and make some ice cream at home. The difference in taste is actually quite noticeable compared to store bought.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

I don't eat cream all that often, and I try to buy the better brands, but I guess I actually need to figure out what ingredients I hate and read the labels. Ninja creami sounds neat, but I dont eat ice cream enough to warrant the counter space.

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