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Why do people on reddit seem to hate Lemmy/Mbin/other federated link aggregators?
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Because people off Reddit hate everything that its not reddit
this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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I was a redditor for 13 years, I now hate reddit. There is hope
People on Reddit. We’re the people off Reddit :)
I am pretty sure most people are here for idealogical reasons so lack of things is a nothing burger for them.
Normies only care about ease of use and network effect. Until fediverse brings usability, we aint even compete for the network.
Normie here, Lemmy is pretty easy to use imo. I think the transition is happening now kinda like the Internet in the 90s or online dating in the 10's.
Ofc I just got here and I'm using Voyager.
A theory I have is that everyone who hates reddit eventually left leaving the milk bags brains. I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk and left when I saw my mod queue get exponentially worse. My friend told me it was because the decent people left for Lemmy.
Now I'm mod of [email protected] and it's sooooo much easier.
I was mod of r/mapporncirclejerk
I used to lurk, thank you for your service 🫡
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No idea, quit Reddit over a year ago for fedia/lemmy. Never used x/twitter either, i use mastodon.
Speaking from a third-world country, there are 2 main weaknesses the fediverse has for us:
- selfhosting is not easy or cheap for us, so we can only use what it's already there... And it's basically all in english, so most people are out.
- meta has everyone grabbed by the balls and people are happy like that (for some reason), anything new or different is met with endless excuses.
There used to be a mexican instance called Mujico, but they were forced to use a whitelist by constant troll attacks... But they also federated with grad so I can't feel bad about it. I don't know if it still exists but the last time I checked it had zero activity.
Besides other factors mentioned in this thread, there's also
- selection bias: people with a positive view of Lemmy already migrated, so the leftover is bound to have more negative views
- older userbase: older people use language in a different way, talk about different topics, and dig into those topics in a different way. That often makes younger people throw a tantrum.
- group identity: for those "AS A SNOO" we're basically apostates.
- edit: personal drama between higher ups is more visible here than in Reddit.
Older userbase makes this place a lot more useful, outside of politcs and news subs you are dealing with who can provide good information, ie how reddit used to work.
Drama has its place... it is provocative and it gets people going... we need more engagement! We are deff getting there too, meme subs were spamming all 1 year ago, now there is enough threads to keep a reader busy without fluff memes.
I agree with you that both things have their upsides; and frankly, I don't even think that we should be pandering to the immigration leftover wallowing in Reddit. Growth is good, but growth should never come at the expense of the community that you're trying to grow.
However I feel like those points help to explain why the "lol lmao" crowds hate this place.
- the post already said why:
I would love to move away from reddit but it's hard when this is where the base of my favorite communities still exists.
- further compounded by issues such as (a) overall lack of moderation, which further depends on (b) better development of moderation tools, and (c) guides explaining how things work, bc it can be fairly confusing, e.g.:
How do I find selfhosted communities on Lemmy? If I search for "selfhosted" I get one community (Run It Yourself) with around 3K subscribers and very little activity. Is that it?
Though someone answered (I think incorrectly):
I think the biggest one is 40k on lemmy.world and it's called "selfhosted". You must be on a Lemmy server that doesn't show that community for some reason. There are ideological rifts on Lemmy that can cause some servers to splinter like that.
Interestingly, from my old instance discuss online, I see no hits at all to that term among community names - https://discuss.online/search?q=selfhosted&type=Communities&listingType=Local - meaning that nobody from that instance has subscribed to it yet.
Which is why things like Categories of Communities (already fully functional on PieFed) are so helpful to guide people to what they may be looking for.
- And I haven't even begun on the whole tankies connotation of moving here.
I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit.
No - apparently not, it's only clear to you, not them, for all the reasons listed above and likely more besides. We would have to build it first, before they will come... and even then I would expect a long delay. In the meantime, Lemmy MAUs (Monthly Active Users) are actively declining, whether they are returning their traffic to Reddit or not.
What do you expect from a bunch of lazy T_D chuds, bots, and n00bz
Ha haaaa! Right? Up top!
Could be their total intolerance for opposing views, don't see that on Reddit but it's rampant on Lemmy.
A good example of this is LiPoly, a twit on a Lemmy instance, downvotes every post I make.
I haven't been on reddit for over a year, but I cannot imagine that topics like say atheism don't polarise. What makes you think it is the case?
@5714 But there because it's divided into groups, those of us not interested in atheism never even look at it.
Lemmy has a toxic puddle problem. If your first experience with Lemmy is sauntering into a community and getting chased out for not agreeing with someone hard enough, something like that, you'll probably just go back to Reddit and say 'that place is full of whack jobs'.
And the default sort, kinda hard to dodge
Yeah whatever, that's a feature. Reddit became worse once it became a safe place for conservatives and center-right liberals to gather.
Conservative, TheDonald, KiA, red pill, et. all made Reddit worse.
I don't want a second Reddit. Can better avoid eternal September issues if they self select to fuck off
But I guess that's what .world is for.
A lot of communities on Lemmy have a 'scene kid' subculture and they will just harass people right off the platform for not being true enough to the cause, despite being for the cause.
You got a bunch of raindrops. They want to become a hurricane. They simply need a warm breeze but shit blows sideways instead. The corners of Lemmy where movements could be happening are basically mosh pits
I'm not trying to argue with you or correct you or anything, just pointing out why this is bad, how it shouldn't be as it is, but it's on deaf ears to the people I'm lamenting about. And you're correct, a 2nd Reddit would suck, but Lemmy could be better if those people were being better.
If there's anything anyone mad about anything in the world should know, by know, don't attack people on the same team, welcome them in
I don't quite understand your point. Do you maybe have some examples to understand better?
I actually blocked most of those groups but one was some climate community on another instance. There was a post where someone asked what they could do personally to help prevent climate change, and it was full of political theory as a response.
Someone said they actively boycott Starbucks because the CEO flies a jet in order to commute to Seattle to California, and if the government won't do anything they felt like the least they can do is just commit to never giving them and their lobbyists a single penny ever again.
And they were downvoted to like -20 and had a dozen people attacking them over shifting the blame from the corporations to the working class by framing it in such a way that the working class should have any responsibility for the actions of the corporation. It was like watching a bunch of picketers calling someone a scab.
And I'm just reading it like "what the fuck guys, you're sitting around discussing political strategies that have so far done absolutely nothing, they're doing something, they have a point, the lobbyists make the laws, so defunding the lobbyists does make a lot of sense. He's flying in a jet to work because people give him money, helllLLLOOOooo."
Someone even went so far as to argue that a lot of people need to go to Starbucks because they might need a quiet space to study or hang out, so I jumped in pointing out that most municipalities have a library at the minimum, and people were fine before coffee shops were everywhere, and I got downvoted and jumped on by half a dozen people for not understanding the plight of others.
Homeless people need somewhere to go, so I'm an asshole for suggesting that other people could go to Starbucks less? Beats the hell out of me
In some climate forum, for no reason other than to win a stupid internet argument over the responsibility of emissions, everyone began defending the necessity of Starbucks of all things. Seriously. And at the same time, consumers shouldn't have to endure hardships for the climate because they should instead focus on affecting policy, in order for places like Starbucks to change, because they're fucking horrible. In my mind I was just like "well are corporations good or bad, or at the moment are they just convenient as both in order to use that person as a punching bag?" but noped right out.
It was basically a rat's nest of tangled up incongruent statements that all led back to 'fuck that person for saying they make a very small effort to do something towards a corporation as opposed to attempting to reshape politics'
So yeah, shit like that.
Maybe a simple "while I disagree with A due to B, it does have some merit because of C. But in my opinion I think D is more effective, and if you'd like to learn more about D, here are some resources! :)"
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It's very hard to convince people that fedi is a healthy place when the default servers are incredibly toxic. I wish they would at least advertise it as such, maybe hide the default from the number one spot. There are several servers up there that accept users that are way more chill.
Also for new selfhosters making it easier to say "these are some problem instances that are commonly blocked, if you want to start out with them". I know that starts a new problem of "but then who decides" and it causes more splintering, but for a lot of posters it's overwhelming the firehouse of vitriol that comes in at first.
just wanted to drop that for the selfhosters there is https://fediseer.com/ which provides an API (which makes getting a crowdsourced and up to date whitelist easy)
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What is the default sort on Lemmy.World btw - is it Local, or All?
For me without an account, it is All. Which means that they'll see all the tankie stuff, and most will immediately want to nope out (I'm currently sitting at 100% of every person I've ever told about Lemmy irl).
On the bright side, PieFed adds a warning label to messages on communities located on Beehaw (about their differences in moderation policies), and surely could do the same for lemmy.ml - in fact I saw such a message this morning (sth sth warning do not criticize China or Russia or you are likely to be banned - quite neutrally yet helpfully worded, very much to the point), though now can't seem to reproduce, so perhaps it's in testing.
I saw that on ML you might get banned for stuff like calling Xi Jinping a Winnie. But not for an opinion. Especially about Russia.
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My experience is a little better with comments sorted by “top” instead of “active”. “active” seems to promote controversial comments because they get the most replies.
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Number 1 comment is
Reddit ain't going anywhere fast.
If r/selfhosted has to rely on reddit as it can't be fucked selfhosting, what chance do other subs have.
I have found Lemmy selfhosted communities excellent, they are not a large as Reddit but there are plenty knowledgeable people, often seflhosting their own little reddit.
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