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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The only time I get 10 hours and wake up tired is after a lot of drinking, so maybe you have other issues.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

The illusion of choice

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

10 hours is too much. I find 7 is the sweet spot for me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I do pretty much always wake up tired, but I also can't make myself stay awake past 9 most of the time any longer. Not since I hit 40 or so (46 now). I used to be able to stay up all night if I wanted to. This is the first year in a while I was able to stay up until midnight to see in the new year. And just barely.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

My sweet spot really seems to be 6hrs. I feel most alert and functional. At least for the past 5 years or so.

Prior to that I worked 2 x 24hr shifts, many times 3 x 24hrs, per week. My sleep was a significantly different pattern.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Yeh but if I wake up tired after 2h sleep, I have limited energy and an more quickly exhausted. And I'll likely suffer the more for it the following day.

If I wake up tired after 10h sleep I actually have more reserves of strength, and can do better that day - or more (I think), can do better the next day.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why ia this a thing can anyone sciency answer ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Could you explain a little more ?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sleep apnea means your airway narrows enough while you sleep that you aren't getting enough air, which leaves you exhausted after struggling to breathe all night

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it’s about getting enough REM and SWS cycles. The effect decays over time, though. If you time your wake up to a full sleep cycle (around 2.5-3 hours) one night, you may wake up feeling fine. If you do this multiple nights in a row, however, you will build up a REM/SWS debt. So on day one it feels fine, on day two it feels less fine, and on day three you’re dragging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea what you are talking about can you ELI5 it a bit

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Think of your sleep as reading a series of engaging books, where each book represents a sleep cycle, including chapters of both deep sleep (SWS) and dream sleep (REM). When you finish a book (sleep cycle), you reach a satisfying conclusion to that story arc—this is akin to waking up after a full sleep cycle. You feel refreshed because you’ve concluded the narrative neatly, without interrupting a tense plot twist or leaving a storyline unresolved.

However, just finishing one book doesn’t mean you’ve completed the whole series. If you stop after one book each night, you’re missing out on the depth and development that comes from reading more of the series (accumulating more sleep cycles). Initially, you might feel okay because you’ve concluded a story (cycle) properly, avoiding the grogginess of waking up mid-chapter (mid-cycle). Yet, this approach doesn’t give you the full, enriching experience (or rest) your body and brain need over time.

As days go on, if you continue this pattern, you accumulate a ‘reading debt’—akin to sleep debt. You’ve missed out on the broader, deeper insights and the full narrative arc that only comes from reading (sleeping) the whole series or book. This debt reflects not fully recharging your brain and body, leaving you progressively more tired. While you might feel a temporary refreshment from completing a cycle, without the full, restorative rest of multiple cycles, you’re not truly at 100%—you’re running on the satisfaction of a finished story, not the full restoration that comes from a complete series.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks now i got it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a matter of timing your waking up with the right part of your sleep cycle. If you sleep through the "wake up window", which I think is right after REM sleep, then your reenter deeper sleep which is harder to wake up from.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Rapid Eye Movement. The phase of sleep in which you dream.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's what happens to me when I don't shove enough water into my throat before bedtime. Your body flushes all the bad stuff out and has no water left in the morning. You can either stop eating salty foods (or food in general) before bedtime, or split your sleep into several parts.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I have a window of perfection. If I sleep less the 4 hours I'm dead tired in the morning, if I sleep more then 7 hours I am dead in the morning, but for some reason if I get 5, 6 or 7 I'll be up and at em no issue at all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Finally someone else who acknowledges this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah, for me it's 6 the perfect amount (altho i sleep more on the weekends)

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I get ten hours of sleep. I wake up feeling tired and have to go to work.

I get three hours of sleep. I wake up feeling tired and have to go to work, but I got an additional 7 hours of gaming in and extended my free time. Win.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And then people complain that “you’re not healthy”. I feel way healthier and happier with more free time thank you very much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I know right? I feel better when im drunk but when I try to stay up all night drinking I get lip from everyone!!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I still average out to 7-8hrs of sleep over the entire week... I just make it up on Friday thru Sunday nights.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Oh, yeah I cannot for the life of me sleep that long

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Probably not a win in the long run though. But I'll take it too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

The "long run" sounds like a future me problem, not a right-now me problem. Therefore, no problem!

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