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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The people going absolutely ballistic over pointing out the flaws of the Harris campaign are wild. If seeing someone criticize a politician makes you that upset, in all sincerity, log off. If you can’t differentiate criticizing a politician, campaign, and party from supporting their opponent, you have been sucked into an anxiety/rage spiral and you’re helping nobody, especially yourself.

There is nothing useful in screaming at your allies because you don’t like seeing the post-mortem. And make no mistake, anyone who didn’t vote Trump is either your ally or someone you need to make your ally. Some Trump voters are even going to need to be your allies when they see and regret what they did.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you couldn't see that Harris would be near-infinitely better than Trump, you might be the problem

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, I forgot I have to preface every criticism with "I voted for Harris, but"

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hatred and racism didn't win because the other party had an non-perfect policy.

Hatred and racism won because not enough people cared to vote against it.

You're fucking complicit. And when you're complicit with fascism, you're also a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You’re fucking complicit.

No my dude, I voted for her. I don't agree with the decision from those who didn't vote or voted elsewhere.

But I understand. /ChrisRock

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That sentiment might be the one that pisses me off the most.

I wanted her to win. I voted for her myself.

I also saw how her campaign was fucking up constantly. Neutering Walz, embracing early 00s Republicans from Cheney to Frum, ceding all argument on immigration to the fascists...

The list goes on and on.

The Democrats had a billion dollars and all the goodwill in JULY. I'm so mad at them. The party needs to burn and something else needs to be rebuilt in its place.

I am not interested in voting for the candidate of choice of Liz Cheney, Richard Spencer, and the Lincoln Project.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Maybe I’m not that smart, but shouldn’t we blame the fascists and the people who voted for the fascists for the impending fascism?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

blame the whole fucking electorate. buncha fucking clowns pissed off because eggs cost $5 or some shit. the fuck is gonna happen when there's tariffs on everything and no one working the fucking vegetable fields? what happens when the republicunts generate 8 trillion in new debt?

the fuck is gonna happen to the price of eggs?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

3 groups of eligible voters. Trump voters. Harris voters, and 3rd party/abstainers.

Yes, the first group to be upset with are trump voters. But largely they arent here, so discussion and memes focus on the other group, the abstainers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But largely they arent here

Nah, they're here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Turnout didn't change for Trump. In fact it was less than 2020. What happened was a repeat of 2016, this is the third time they put up an establishment candidate, when it's been glaringly obvious Americans on the left and right are tired of that. The DNC is going to eat a lot of the blame this time--if not the majority, there are hardly any excuses this time.

They'd rather have Trump than a non establishment candidate they can't control.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Blame them and the fake leftists trying to pretend democrats lost for not being left enough. Both are responsible for the impending fascism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Who was running the Democratic side of the race? Centrist democrats, or leftists? Maybe try blaming the people who had any kind of power, rather than those of us who were pointing out all along what a shitty campaign it was from the outside.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Or the genocide Joe/Harris or blue maga crowd.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There's plenty of blame to go around. One thing a politician needs to do is effectively sell themselves to the people who will be voting. Harris spent a lot of time selling herself to Republicans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-democrats.html

The people who voted for the fascists were always going to vote for the fascists.

I have no need or desire to argue with you about it. There is no end to people smarter and more eloquent than I who are explaining the exact same thing in more detail than I could, from Bernie Sanders to Rolling Stone.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Last part is missing lose 3 state trifectas that went purple.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cost PA a Senate seat too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

With a republican majority Supreme Court where Trump can appoint more younger justices who could keep their positions past 2060.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Y’all had a choice between less-than-perfect & and straight up hatred. Your choice was to let hate reign. And now you’re gloating about it. So fuck you for that. And your quaint meme is the equivalent of smearing your own shit on the wall in a tepid little tantrum, complete with wrongly framed arguments. Go ahead and downvote me or write a pithy faux angry response. This is social media. It’s fucking meaningless. Voting had meaning. As do the mass deportations that are the cornerstone of Trump’s campaign promises. You petty fucks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

I voted for her. This meme is still correct.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I agree with both you and the meme. You're right that everyone should have sucked it up and voted for Kamala anyway. The meme is right because the Dems fucked this royally at several stages. Yes, American voters have made a decision that I massively disagree with... But you also have to recognise the vast political mistakes the party have made that led to this point.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I have no skin in this game, but if the two options are that clear, you absolutely can blame the voters.

At the end of the day, this rhetoric is trying to find absolution by delegating responsibility to a higher authority. Not we, the voters, are wrong, it's the party elites, that forced us to vote fascism into power because the other offer wasn't good enough. It's not our fault, it's theirs.

No, you don't get a pass. Germany didn't get a pass, either. And rightly so.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Yeah. Fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No, no, but they 'understand' the choice of abstainers to embrace fascism.

It rings as hollow to me as the annual pancake-breakfast op-ed by city liberals before every fucking election about how rural Republicans have Legitimate Grievances(tm).

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So you think the 8-15 million potential voters so politically disengaged that they didn't vote...

Spend their time hanging out on political forums?

The people you see online talking about it are politically engaged, which is why almost all of us voted D like every other election since we've been 18.

The ones you're mad at will never see your insults.

And pointing out this years strategy was fucking stupid does still matter.

It mattered more years ago when we had plenty of time before the 2024 election, but it matters today for the 2028 election.too

Our country can't afford the only options to be fascists and halfway fascists, we can't keep moving to the right and expect anything to change

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

Thank you. Republicans did all these things and won. These posts look like a narrative being pushed to divide us further.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nothing is changing. The voters won't change. The DNC must be held accountable now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I agree, and said so in 80, 84, 88, 2000, 2004, and 2016.

“If only they had done-“ still ignores two key points:

  • Anyone can step up, so . . . where are these political masterminds the other 1400 days
  • running a political party, or any organization with thousands of people in it, is hard as shit
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