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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Someone should really tell everyone from the south. I had no idea until it was pointed out to me by someone younger. Changed my behavior of course, but was simply ignorant before.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 7 points 4 months ago

With an attitude like that, something tells me that pirate won't be getting any booty

[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

he'd probably call women maidens

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Remember, pirates did fly red flags as well as black ones. The red ones meant you were extra fucked.

[–] eddanja@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

I think black was like, "We just want your shit and we'll let you live if you surrender" while red was like, "We're gonna kill and then take your shit or take your shit and then kill you, either way you will not survive," kinda thing.

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Or they are just non-native english speakers

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure non natives will be the first ones to use "woman" and not "female". I know it's not something we say in French anyway, a woman is a woman.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

a woman is a woman

Problematic part

Blague à part, il existe d'autres langue (non-indo-européennes) ou la distinction est moins aisée à faire. Par exemple en Hongrois on dit "nő" pour "femme" et "nőstény" pour "femelle", mais on peut les interchanger dans certains cas et les traducteurs automatiques s'y emmêlent les pinceaux des fois.

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but those people don't get defensive when you comment on it, while those who are raising the red flag immediately do. It's pretty easy to tell them apart from that point forward.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

What a sweetheart you are. Can't even let a webcomic get away with not being inclusive.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago
[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Say they're raising a flag, raises a sail instead.

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[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I been wondering people's opinion of "Female" in some instances. Like is "First Female president/athlete/mayor/lawyer" appropriate? "First woman____" doesn't sound right and you wouldn't say "first man athlete to run 2 hour marathon" you would use male.

Most things can be rephrased maybe, but obviously using Females outside these instances is very right wing cringe.

[–] ted@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Woman as an adjective is picking up in my circles and podcasts I listen to. Woman scientist, woman entrepreneur. It may have sounded weird initially, but I've gotten over it and I suspect it will develop over time to be completely normal.

I wouldn't really compare it to the male/man counterpart, because men aren't demeaned by being called "male" regularly.

[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I agree it works in most cases it works fine but like "First woman astronaut" feels weird.

I mostly didn't want to be accidentally participating in something shitty.

Edit: or like "fastest woman athlete"

[–] ted@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I remember feeling like it was weird, but both of those sound absolutely fine to me now.

I also would never balk at "female" as an adjective in those cases, nor assume the speaker was being misogynist.

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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Female" is fine to use as an adjective.

It's also fine to use as a noun when describing livestock, which is why it's a red flag to describe women that way.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

What is a good word to use for people who are female of any age including young children that are not old enough to be called women in addition to women?

'Women and girls' is pretty clunky when talking about something that is gender specific, but applies to all ages.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just ask yourself if you'd use "males" in that context.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I absolutely would use males in that context. "Toxic masculinity has a detrimental affect on males of all ages" sounds perfectly fine to me because I don't know of a different label for the group and males doesn't have the same dehumanizing usage as females.

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

boys and men / girls and women sounds right to me

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

'Gendered violence against teenage women and girls' is really clunky. Especially if it needs repeating across paragraphs.

If there isn't something, that's fine.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Gendered violence against females" on the other hand sounds a bit too clinical though... Like you're removing their personhood

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If 'females' wasn't used by online sexists to treat women as objects would it sound that way?

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe! I don't know if "gendered violence against men" also has the same connotations.

Maybe this is indeed is a case of those people poisoning the term.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

"Don't forget about gendered violence against boys!" would be a likely response to a statement about men.

It is absolutely a case of a term being poisoned, which does mean it needs to be treated more carefully but sucks when there isn't an alternative.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Women is probably fine to use when the ages can be gleaned from context. You can also make the noun non gendered and use female as a adjective like “female students” or “female patients”

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm mainly asking when ages span from birth to old age and the goup would basically be "female persons" or "male persons" which is clunky.

Sometimes it can be rephrased, but it often requires multiple words to mean the same thing. Plus "women of all ages" will be read as not including children.

I'm mostly pissed that sexists ruined the only single word term we have for half of the population.

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[–] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 138 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yes, fun idea. No problem with that but... that 'flag' is a sail. They're different things.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago

Using a sail to fly your colours is a red flag.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Sus. Having any issue with a red flag meme. /s

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[–] obscur_e@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Lmao good one

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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