Is this testing process normal or only specific to Indiana? Are the "test" ballots that are used added to the overall count and then subtracted after the fact, is that why he said he "fucked up count"? Or was the intention to steal the ballot to cast during election day?
this post was submitted on 29 Oct 2024
169 points (100.0% liked)
politics
19127 readers
4592 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Two ballots are nothing. The votes on them are statistically meaningless, and one of them was a vote for his guy. So why steal them? What else might he do with two real ballots? Could he maybe make more? Could he test a hack for the machines? Perhaps there's a way to doctor the ballots to cause a machine malfunction?
There's no believable excuse for wanting to keep those ballots that doesn't include skullduggery.
He was at a test run of the voting process/machines.
He pocketed two of the ballots... then the count and verification process began.
He then started whispering to people "fucked up count", started posting on social media that the machines were faulty, went outside, showed some other guy the two ballots he stole, and got a pat on the back from him.
A review of security footage, which was subsequently being live-streamed online, showed Savage handling the two missing ballots. He can also be heard confirming with an election official that these are “absolutely, totally real ballots.”
In the video Savage can be seen looking around the room before folding up two ballots and putting them in his sweatshirt pocket.
After this, Savage is seen leaning over to a woman in attendance and saying “f***ed up count.” Less than 10 minutes later, Savage is seen leaving the building and showing a man the ballots in his pocket. The man then pats Savage on the back and Savage gets into his car and leaves.
... He very, very obviously did this to attempt to propagate a notion that the election is going to be rigged.
Also one could reasonably expect that as of yet unidentified pat-on-the-back man would also be a person of interest, as he may have directed Savage to actually do what he did.
Conspiracy to tamper with the voting process is... hopefully also a crime.
Ah, well that's a horse of a different treason.
I get what you're saying, but an intentional attack on the electoral process is an intentional attack on the United States Constitution and all that it encompasses. It's only two ballots but it's the voices of two people, and there are senate and congressional seats up for grabs. Furthermore, it emboldens others.
$500 bail is a couple million short imo. Do not give a mouse a cookie when it comes to our liberties. Squash the mouse
Edit: I'm also not any sort of hardass... But looking at this relative to other transgressions, it should be right up there with murder. Impeding on a country's ability to self-govern is really really serious shit regardless of citizenship status (being a US citizen should not make it any less egregious), and it's all getting normalized
He could have kept them as personal souvenirs for what may go down as a pretty historical event.
Or he could plan to plant them somewhere as evidence of tampering.
“The votes on them are statistically meaningless” is incorrect though; I just went through an election where the two sides in one district differed by 27 votes.
The article explains he stole the 2 ballots on purpose to throw off a certification process that Indiana's voting machines go through that's open to the public.
The machines ran through 136 test ballots, then he stole 2 and left. He leaned over and is heard on video saying "fucked up count" to a women he was coordinating with, who then raised the issue of "missing ballots" to the officials, all while live streaming to facebook.
This guy, who then shows the stolen ballots to another guy outside who laughed and patted him on the back, then joined the live stream and said "they are missing ballots! Don't trust anything!"
Cops reviewed video footage, then got a warrent. He claimed intially that he had been allowed go take them by officials. When they proved that wasent true, he claimed he took them as souvenirs, even though they were explicitly marked as official documents. Text messages that the suspect sent also make it clear he knew they were official ballots.
The sad truth is that the Trumpettes are going to see "man stole republican ballot", stop reading further, and raise their burning ~~crosses~~ pitchforks.
What a wonderful time to be alive...
This was an event to test and verify the voting machines and it was open to the public because it's important for people to be able to trust the systems. He stole the ballots in order to throw off their count and manufacture a story because everything they do is baseless projection and all they have are their false claims of election interference and vote tampering.
Exactly this. The point was to cast doubt on the election process.
And proved it worked great. Task failed successfully.
Even identified the "enemy within" trying to steal the election. Solid work.
WXIN - Fox59 - Indianapolis - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for WXIN - Fox59 - Indianapolis:
MBFC: Least Biased - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
WXIN - Fox59 - Indianapolis - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for WXIN - Fox59 - Indianapolis:
MBFC: Least Biased - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Media Bias Fact Check | bot supportSearch topics on Ground.News
https://fox59.com/indianapolitics/district-5-republican-candidates-outline-platforms-prior-to-may-primary/
https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/this-is-political-bullst-former-republican-candidate-charged-with-stealing-madison-county-election-ballots/