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[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 weeks ago

Yes.

And at least when it comes to your parents:

Stop doing it for free.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm glad that many kids are into PC gaming, at least. That's still a decent vector into computer proficiency and a little hardware knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

No, once you lived long enough and meet enough/work with enough people you may find it’s an interest thing. If your exposure is limited, it may be the type of humans you came into contact just aren’t computer savvy because they either arent interested and some are just not coherent enough about computers(and struggle a lot).

There are plenty of technical and non technical people who spread across generational and gender.

if you travelled into the past before computers and talked with enough people you’d still likely run into one who would be as interested as you are and probably learn it fairly quickly just out of interest

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Idk. I built my first computer at 6 and ran an irc server for my class mates back in middle school. And I’m sure not many people would have done that back then either.

Im sure there’s plenty of curious and tech inclined kids these days. They just aren’t the majority. But we weren’t back then either.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

But if you are the parent that knows everything about this why not teach your kids? Great bonding opportunity and they get to not be clueless about it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago

No one yet has touched on the success of planned obsolescence.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

My four-year-old daughter is shockingly proficient with a mouse and keyboard. Kid goes to town on Spyro: Reignited. My wife snagged an old PC from her office and we want to set it up for her eventually for learning, light gaming and MS Paint. We figure in another year or two we can set up a family Minecraft server and get her in on it. The dream is to get her playing Valheim with us when she's older.

Hoping she will be as good with PCs and I am, and would love to help her build one when she's grown.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago

Mine started Minecraft at 5. She never took to Valhiem, and plays minecraft instead. She's 16 now.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 weeks ago

shes old enough to start learning hardware now! i absolutely did this with my kids when they were 3-6. take an old pc apart, put it back together with them naming the parts. they all loved it. a toddler trying to say 'processor' is hilarious btw. only one (25%) seemed to continue playing with hardware but they all know what makes up a pc and he is the one running the family minecraft in docker.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

OG DOS command line interface nerds unite

but yes. it helps to have grown up alongside the IT industry and internet

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember getting our first computer. It was a Tandy 1000 and I was completely fascinated by it. I loved playing games on it but we couldn't afford them. My dad got some sort of PC magazine that always had the DOS code for one or two games in the back and I would spend hours writing that code onto the PC so we could play things like video poker or chess.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

I remember copying a game onto floppies from DOS, but I can no longer remember the command that tells it to split the file onto multiple disks because it's too big for 2.88 MB

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

I have no idea what it would have been in a Windows/DOS environment, but

https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/split.1.html

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

funny how i didn't see all the shit you had to go through back in the day just to pirate a <10MB game as a pain in the ass that i see it as now, yet i'd still go back to those days in a heartbeat if i could

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (8 children)

Our parents didn't think it was important. Our kids don't think it is necessary.

Imagine how horse farmers felt about engine maintenance on the first automobiles. Early adopters probably knew everything about how to fix tractors and cars. But today, how many people know how to change their own brakes or flush the coolant?

Life evolves, and transitions come faster with every generation. It's good that nobody knows how to use a sextant or a fax machine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

I think the modern car climate is a better comparison than the change from horse and buggy to Model T. Many people work on their own cars, but it's mostly for fun and the increasing levels of computers and sensors in cars makes it more difficult to do all the work yourself. And then you add in the nuts and bolts car companies make that can only be unscrewed using special tools that the companies also make to force you to bring the car to one of their dealerships.

Tech literacy rates are falling like the skill to use a car with a manual transmission. Since everything kids do is on their phone, and phones are like that one car company that welded the hoods of their cars shut, they never need to pick up the skills with computer software that the work world expects them to have (but who really wants to know how to use Word and Excel anyways), nor the skills with working on your own hardware.

Sidenote: Fax machines are, unfortunately, still very much a thing. At least, if you ever have to deal with the federal government or the medical industry, they are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My dad thought computers were important. He got me a VIC-20 soon as they came out, and that was $1,800 in today's money, not an amount he spent lightly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 weeks ago

Sure, obviously there were exceptions or we wouldn't have half the modern conveniences we do. My parents were very enthusiastic about computers, and my kids are each building their own desktops. I'm speaking in generalities.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

or a fax machine

Healthcare industry is crying in the corner

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm still mad we print so much stuff at work, it's 2024 just update a spread sheet. I don't need an email much less a physical copy of something I saw the update for an hour ago

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[–] [email protected] 344 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (17 children)

We are the bridge generation.

We know and saw a world without the internet and we experienced it when it first came to be.

We saw the first mass produced computers and computer devices which broke often, didn't work the way we wanted them to, they weren't fast and they didn't have much memory in any way. We were the first generation to see all this. Our parents were too old and busy to figure it out but we were young enough to be curious about it all. We also kept wanting to have the newest fastest hardware and software so we had no choice but to either buy, beg or steal these things to get them. We learned to swap parts, add parts, remove parts, install an OS, uninstall the OS, run backups, store data and learn it all on our own because there was no easy internet social media community to help you. Software was constantly changing and we had to keep up by either buying expensive titles or we learned about Linux and open source software or we became digital pirates or both.

Now the digital landscape has changed. Younger generations prefer handheld devices so to them everything is solid state ... they never can imagine changing the RAM, HDD, SSD, CPU, GPU or the PSU or even bothering to learn what those things are. Because everything is built in and no one (or very few) people bother with fixing or tinkering with anything. There are fewer people who learn about software and about how or where to find it, install it, configure it and run it. To new generations who only know the digital world through locked devices, there was less incentive to learn or even have access to know how these things worked.

We are the bridge generation. We got to see the world without the internet and the world with one. No one before us got to see what we saw, no one after us will experience what we went through. Our civilization dramatically changed during our lifetime and we got a front row seat.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Very eloquently put.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

We got to live in the most interesting times in history, so far. Most of us are depressed for it.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

My 13 y o niece had no idea how to uninstall a program on a PC. I was a little stunned.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago

I'm reasonably certain that all four of my housemates, (58 y/o +) don't have any idea how to close a program either on their laptops, or their phones. Thankfully I'm the only desktop guardian.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm not sure what the generation breakdown is. I'm in my 50's and fix PCs. My brother in law is in his 70's and fixes PCs. One of his 3 daughters (40) fixes her own PC.

It seems like it's everyone between 40-80.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

I think your family are tinkerers, and they are a rare breed. A group of people who just love taking things apart, bringing them back together and doing all sorts of other things with them. My family is a bit like that but we never had the technical expertise. I'm indigenous from northern Ontario and a lot of my cousins and relations have a grade school education but there is a whole lot of excellent small engine mechanics. I have one cousin who barely spoke any English but her regularly swapped while engines from trucks to keep old vehicles running.

I tinker myself which is why I learned about computers and computer technology on my own but never to a really high level.

So every generation has their outliers and your family were probably the same group of people that made things or fixed things in earlier generations.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

GenX is what the comment is about. Millennials were born to home computers but the early ones had to contend with much the same mess we did.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

The PSU is the only thing you can change easily. I love that everything is USB-C and that I can plug in everything, everywhere.

But I'm kind of happy everyone uses handhelds, I got really tired fixing everything for my entire family and friends.

"My printer seems to be defectiv..."

Entschuldige, ich kann kein Englisch. Muss weg, keine Zeit. Bye!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

It’s like all the old geezers who cum into carbeurators but like, shouldn’t they be happy that fuel-injection is a million times better and more reliable? I work on my own car and I can handle that shit in my driveway easy but these people seem to want more work to do. Yes, Fred, carbs make more sense for dirtbikes but oh my god otherwise shut up.

As for printers yea what the fuck. They all work differently even within the same company when all they need to do is take the exact same control module, maybe two versions of it, and slap it onto different bodies. But, instead, it’s just a giant fucking mess.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I work in Tech and this is my mantra: printers are Of the Devil.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

In healthcare IT there's often a person who specializes in just printers. My friend makes a lot of money doing that.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago

My buddy worked tech support for a fairly large facility. They got tired of getting calls for a busted printer, only to walk all the way across the facility to discover it was out of paper. It got to the point that if someone called about a printer, they would wait an hour before responding. If nobody else called within that hour, they assumed the issue was resolved on its own.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sure they got to us because they were too evil for hell and the devil itself got tired of them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The part that royally pisses me off is that a roommate used to work for Lexmark. One day he brings home an "all in one" printer, fax, scanner, and something else I am forgetting. Best scanner I have ever seen. No light bar. The thing worked by taking four pictures and digitally meshing them together. When you scanned a document, there was a series of 4 rapid flashes. One Magenta, one Cyan, one Yellow, one White.

The damn thing was absolutely perfect at digitizing anything you put onto the unit's scanning glass, but it did have a design issue where the scanning glass wasn't parallel to the floor, and was instead tilted like a desktop picture frame.

According to my roommate, that particular design flaw is why they decided to kill the printer, never releasing it to the public. AFAIK they never even tried that scanning tech in any other printer.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 weeks ago

Great write up

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Sadly if most computers weren't 'walled garden' experiences then maybe the kids could learn to tinker and fix them. As it is if the issue can't be fixed from a settings app then they're stuck.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Feels like it doesn't it? I enjoyed taking apart and fixing the family computer as a kid but it was also out of necessity. If it wasn't me? Then who else would or could?

I'm still trying to decide if it's a "when I was a kid I used to clean my own carburetor" situation. Like, is it a "back in my day men were men and we fixed our computers by hand", or more so, there's just not a need to dig into computers unless you enjoy it like any other hobby.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 weeks ago

I fix my own computer and my own car ...for me, it's a poverty thing!

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