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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I suspect that back in the day there was a generation that were "the only ones who knew how cars worked" (in that it had a far higher number of people who could do their own car repairs).

It's the product of having grown up in a time when that technology was going from niche to widespread - a time when its still clunky, fickle and needs a lot of babysitting and before it was mainly made "so simple that any idiot can use it" - so if you were one of those people who got into it back then, you were forced to understand it more in depth merely to keep it going. Those who grew up before that simply never became familiar with it, whilst those who grew up later only ever had to understand how to the mature-stage user interfaces of that Tech, which are designed for maximum accessibility with minimum learning curve (which amongst other things means minimizing the need for deep understanding of what's going on) and did not need to know how to maintain it since "maintenance" had by then become "get a new one and click this button to migrate your info".

You can see a similar thing going on with 3D printers: earlier models are fickle and need all sorts of tweaks and understanding of what's going on to get decent prints out of them plus required frequent maintenance (amongst other things, you quite literally have to periodically retighten the screws of whatever kit FDM printer you got otherwise print quality worsens over time) whilst the later consumer-oriented products make everything simpler.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I don't think that's true, the length of time that cars were simple enough to do most of your own maintenance lasted a long time, from the very first cars through to the 80s or so, until computerisation meant the only real fault finding you could do was swapping parts without specialist equipment.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (6 children)

your kids will be fixing your 3D holographic projection glasses or some shit like that dont worry

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

If only that were true. Have you seen how integrated vr goggles are for example? They're borderline unfixable.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's worse than that: we're a small subset of the only generations that know how computers work. The vast majority of my peers would balk at using a command line, much less anything deeper.

I say generations because it's obviously not limited to one, but, it sure as fuck isn't many.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (2 children)

When I was six years old, my dad brought a computer home from work. It had Windows 3.1 on it. I had to learn how to use the DOS command prompt in order to play my favorite game, Q-bert. When I was a teenager, a new computer of middling quality could run north of $3000 from the Best Buy. But my friends introduced me to a catalog where I could buy the parts to assemble one from scratch. They let me borrow their copy of Windows 95 to install. Then we all had to learn how to use dial-up in order to connect to the internet, or how to build out a LAN network to play games together in person. We took classes in touch-typing at school, using the computer lab. I went to computer camp during the summer. I went to college and took more advanced classes on programing.

I have spent tens of thousands of hours learning to use the computer, practically from the inception of the PC to the modern day.

Now my friends have kids, and I talk about how they use the computer. Everything is out-of-the-box. Installing something is as simply as clicking an icon. You can buy a mini-computer off the shelf for under $200 and it runs better than anything I could have built thirty years ago. Periodically, they will come to me with a more advanced computer program, which has to do with a very particular OS configuration or some weird networking bug that only someone with 10+ years of experience would think to look for. I typically find the answer online, because I don't remember it off the top of my head. I teach the kid and the kid learns, and then the kid knows as much as I do on that particular subject.

In twenty years, I'm sure they'll know more than me, just because I'll be retired and they'll be in the thick of it.

Also, please nobody ask me how a car works. That was something my parents' generation learned. I'm clueless.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Since you mentioned cars, here is a theory my coworker told me that I think makes a lot of sense.

Our parents were the last generation to learn about cars because back then you needed to know how a car worked in order to own one. Cars are too simple now and you couldn't fix one even if you wanted to since they are so locked-down.

We are the last generation to learn how computers work since we needed to know how a computer worked in order to use it. Now computers are too simple to use and you couldn't fix one even if you wanted to since they are so locked-down.

Obviously not saying nobody today knows how cars or computers work, but it is a lot less common. Anybody who learns about cars or computers today do it because of personal interest, not because of necessity.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Cars are too simple now and you couldn’t fix one even if you wanted to since they are so locked-down.

Yes, same thing between computing hardware (I'm not gonna say computers, because for a lot of people nowadays, their only device is their smartphone) and cars. It used to be that things were more complicated to use, but easier to repair, so a large percentage of users could also repair their things.

Nowadays, you don't even need to know how to check your oil level because the car will tell you if it's low. You might not even have a dipstick. And with service intervals being 25000km and more, how much are you REALLY saving by doing your own oil change and stuff? I still do it, but

Similarly - as a kid, I had to fix small issues that popped up with Windows XP ALL the time. Couldn't connect to any website? Flush the DNS cache. No connectivity at all? ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew. Mouse stopped working AGAIN? Use the keyboard to navigate to devices, reinstall mouse driver.

If I was growing up right now, I'd have no idea how things work, because they JUST DO. So you don't learn a lot anymore. As for cars, I still learned because I grew up poor, so my first car was around 500 euros and I did everything myself.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Local Area Network Network.

Sorry I couldn't resist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I'm going to interpret that last "network" as that extra f-ing 50 ohm bnc terminator that you're pretty sure you don't need, until you're about to learn something about coax impedence matching.

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