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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I do not envy anyone near the top at Wikipedia.

This is nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars

One was about the capitalization of a letter in a title for a Star Trek movie. Seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Star_Trek_Into_Darkness_debate

I'm a massive Trekkie and even I have to say...

Edit: It was SO lame that I forgot what the argument was even about. Fixed.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I Germany, I hear this often, but it's also often mentioned that the death numbers reported by them were usually reliable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's also still mentioned three times in the German Wikipedia article.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesundheitsministerium_von_Pal%C3%A4stina

The english article still mentions it at least four times:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Health_Ministry

It operates under the jurisdiction of the territory's Hamas government...

...in 2007, the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip has appointed its own alternate health ministers than those in the West Bank.

The new Gaza government ... replaced Fatah-affiliated hospital directors and staff with Hamas loyalists.

The authors also found that the number of buildings reported damaged by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Public Works was consistent with satellite imagery-based estimates conducted by Sky News.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The 40,000 killed statistic is reliable in that the killed persons name, identity number etc are reported to MoH officials and recorded by them, and the dead are seen by the officials. However the figure is a small subset of the actual number dead. 200,000 to 300,000 dead in Gaza in the past year is a conservative estimate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, which I think is a real weakness in the reporting.

40k dead is bad, but it's a rounding error of the total population.

A tenth of the total population dead, a fifth or a quarter of the population subjected to severe permanent disabilities, and nearly the entire population displaced, homeless, and presently starving to death is a clear genocide. They really are trying to exterminate them. It strains my ability to comprehend. In any case, "40,000" does not begin to capture the current scale of what has become a pretty standard, unambiguous genocide.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Sounds like a reasonable decision. The Hamas-run label was used to denote that the death toll coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry was not very trustworthy. The numbers have since been declared trustworthy by pretty much any credible agency around the world but the most invested hasbaristas. Therefore today the label has become misleading when it comes to this information. It adds uncertainty to trustworthy information which only serves the goals of the hasbaristas who seek to convince that the death toll is significantly lower.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

They were considered trustworthy before as well but that didn't stop Israel from calling it false as it made them look bad.

Sadly don't see anything stopping the hasbarist from continuing to call anything false

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

By the end of the article they've framed much of this as being pro-Hamas / anti-Israel when a collaborative encyclopedia was seemingly worried about appearing neutral.

There's enough there to have a good argument about sources and consistent wording but the article keeps highlighting people who think it's purely political and even that people probably didn't read the issue, they just wanted to be pro or anti Israel.

There's still a lot of people who call this a genocide because they feel / think it's a genocide, not because they're on a side. Having consistent wording is important because you should be able to speak the truth and still feel whatever you felt... it's not about hating Israel. I guess the beginning of the article sort of captures that mindset.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 hours ago

it's not about hating Israel.

Israel is working hard to turn the world agaisnt itself.

Once you learn the history, it is very hard to seeing aa anything but a brutal colonial project.