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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 days ago

Agreed. Hopefully Democrats put more effort into earning their votes.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of these voters. Maybe I'm just consuming the wrong media, but it feels like third-party voters get 50x the blame nonvoters get for ruining elections with probably something like a thousandth of the population. I basically never see this discussion call out both third-party voters and nonvoters equally.

I keep seeing third-party voters maligned for thinking a candidate has hope to win a national election, I see so many arguments to address why third-party candidates can't win. In spite of that, I have never come across any community anywhere where people collectively believe these candidates actually have a chance. People who consume crazy media can believe crazy things, that's why MAGA is a thing, but there's a whole Fox News etc media machine feeding those people. Is there a forum somewhere with more than ten people where there's a consensus that a third-party candidate might actually win? None of the third party voters I have known or met irl believed this, and I would be shocked if they're all weird exceptions.

Like, please, where are these people congregating to spread the ludicrous idea that a third-party candidate can win a national election? Looking on the recent green party posts on their subreddits, the only thing I see even close is a thread with a headline about "candidates are electable if people vote for them", where the furthest they go in the comments is a few people talking about how big a deal it would be for the party if they got 5% nationally, and a couple other people replying to say the greens won't even get 1% this year but the election is still very important because of some nonsense about incremental gains.

It feels like we've imagined a brainwashing machine that does not exist in reality, rather than admit to the existence of protest votes. Condemning protest votes means condemning protest nonvotes equally, and we'll never have sufficient information about protest nonvoters to reasonably make a claim about how they would have voted. That would severely muddy any attempts to assign blame for election results.

If you're trying to convince these voters to act differently, the way to do that would be to address the arguments they're actually making, like the incremental gains nonsense. If you're addressing arguments they haven't been making at all, then it's worth asking whether you're trying to convince someone other than them.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Jill Stein is a fascist bitch.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

People get weird close to the election.

People voting green party did so for a reason. Not everyone fits into perfectly shaped boxes for the 2 party system. Many vote 3rd party for leverage for policy change. The narrative of picking the lesser evil doesn't always apply to the narrative of the individual voter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (6 children)

We are literally vote in a Hitler figure who is going to build concentration camps and wreck the country or stick with sanity. The lesser of two evils is necessary until the second major party stops running Hitler.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Did people who voted for Stein get what they wanted by electing Trump?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

No, they got what they wanted by bringing third party candidates to the discussion table so more people would vote third party in future elections.

One day we might even be able to elect a candidate who isn't the "lesser evil"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

One day we might get stv approval voting instant runoff or one of the methods that allow 3rd parties to win push for that at the state level instead of fantasies that can never work

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

There you go again. Blame third parties for your own failure. Keep doing it, tell yourself it's true.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Ranked choice voting eliminates the concept of spoiler candidates/parties.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The duopoly of power won't add ranked choice voting

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

You are correct. Also, OP is correct.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Dont let online bullies influence your vote. Each citizen gets one vote, cast it for whom you wish to support. Learn about the issues, the policies being proposed, and cast your vote for whomever you support.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

*as long as you support one of the major 2 parties

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