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We’ve been anticipating it for years, and it’s finally happening. Google is finally killing uBlock Origin – with a note on their web store stating that the extension will soon no longer be available because it “doesn’t follow the best practices for Chrome extensions”.

Now that it is finally happening, many seem to be oddly resigned to the idea that Google is taking away the best and most powerful ad content blocker available on any web browser today, with one article recommending people set up a DNS based content blocker on their network 😒 – instead of more obvious solutions.

I may not have blogged about this but I recently read an article from 1999 about why Gopher lost out to the Web, where Christopher Lee discusses the importance of the then-novel term “mind share” and how it played an important part in dictating why the web won out. In my last post, I touched on the importance of good information to democracies – the same applies to markets (including the browser market) – and it seems to me that we aren’t getting good information about this topic.

This post is me trying to give you that information, to help increase the mind share of an actual alternative. Enjoy!

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I think Brave said they arent affected by this

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When was chrome or chromium safe?

Bloated memory hole in the last 10yrs.

The way it goes about Sucking up resources convinced me to switch to Firefox completely long ago.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Yes it was performance that first got me to switch too. But now I have plenty more reasons.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (27 children)

Firefox needs to work on ensuring seamless compatibility with more websites, web apps and so on, because I'm personally very bored with my kids' schools and related services sending out emails and forms with links that simply won't open in FF but are clearly expecting Chrome or Edge where they work fine. Yes, this is on the lazy developers, but if FF want wider scale take-up outside of geeky niche groups then this is the stuff they must fix.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Slack calls disabled for firefox users, but if you change the user agent to chrome it works...

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I encounter this very infrequently. I think I only have 1-2 examples at work. It's not a huge deal for me to spin up a chrome for those one or two occasions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I recall I didn't get some sites working on Chrome either, when Firefox fails me 😅

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Can you send me an example? I don't think I ever really encountered those sites and I use FF almost exclusively for ~20 years.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Okay that's fine, but when websites are effectively writing

if user_agent_string != [chromium]
     break;

It doesn't really matter how good compatibility is. I've had websites go from nothing but a "Firefox is not supported, please use Chrome" splash screen to working just fine with Firefox by simply spoofing the user agent to Chrome. Maybe some feature was broken, but I was able to do what I needed. More often than not they just aren't testing it and don't want to support other browsers.

The more insidious side of this is that websites will require and attempt to enforce Chrome as adblocking gets increasingly impossible on them, because it aligns with their interests. It's so important for the future of the web that we resist this change, but I think it's too late.

The world wide web is quickly turning into the dark alley of the internet that nobody is willing to walk down.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

What to do when the site is not compatible with Firefox: Alt + ←

[–] [email protected] 76 points 7 months ago (25 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If your site doesn't work on Firefox your site doesn't work. As web developers your job is to develop applications for the web not for one specific browser. This goes double for essential services.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Doesn't really matter to a regular user, in that case it's"Firefox doesn't work"

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

Firefox can't fix all the broken sites in the world, but they do investigate issues reported to https://webcompat.com

You can help by reporting sites that don't work for you.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

It's time to fork chromium!

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People you can still block the shit of using DNS Adblockers . There are a some free like Mullvad DNS and Adguard.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That’s not as effective, since it can’t block anything that’s hosted from a hostname that also serves regular content without also blocking the regular content. It also can’t trick websites into thinking that nothing is blocked and it can’t apply cosmetic rules. I use it for my devices, but in browsers I supplement it with uBlock Origin (or whatever is available in that browser).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago

Honestly I'd say the Internet isn't safe, and it's because of Google, fuck you Google. It's not just the wine I've been drinking, it's true dammit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What date is is getting rid of mv2? Read the article couldn't find a date

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

We will now [Oct 9] begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable. This change will be slowly rolled out over the following weeks. Users will be directed to the Chrome Web Store, where they will be recommended Manifest V3 alternatives for their disabled extension. For a short time, users will still be able to turn their Manifest V2 extensions back on. Enterprises using the ExtensionManifestV2Availability policy will be exempt from any browser changes until June 2025.

https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/develop/migrate/mv2-deprecation-timeline#october_9th_2024_an_update_on_manifest_v2_phase-out

So there is no single date for normal users, but June 2025 is fixed for enterprise (and expected date for Brave, Vivaldi)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

is ungoogled chromium affected i use that as a secondary browser for some extensions

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, by default every Chromium browser is affected. It is just a matter of

  • whether they want to extend it to the enterprise time (which Edge and Opera won't do IIRC)
  • whether they'd try to keep it working after enterprise time (maybe Brave and Vivaldi, but it could take a lot of effort)
  • whether they even have an alternative place to download extensions from if CWS takes MV2 extensions down (Brave has some workaround for few extensions, not sure about others)

Maybe there will be some devs working on Ungoogled Chromium to keep the support, but they also have to think where users would even get the extensions from.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Ohh okay I wanted to try bromite on pc bcs it has a inbuilt adblocker but it broke some my extensions

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