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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

MAGA is popular for the same reason other nationalist, fascist movements have risen over the course of modern history: as a response to Capitalist decay. MAGA isn't popular for genetic reasons, intellectual inferiority, or other reasons like that, but as a common class interest. All of the descriptors in the OP are consequences of the driving factor of class interests, not the drivers themselves.

Fascism is most often represented as an alliance between the Petite Bourgeoisie and Bourgeoisie proper, driven by the Petite Bourgeoisie, as monopolization of Capital results in competition becoming more and more difficult, and the Petite Bourgeoisie faces Proletarianization. To prevent the Petite Bourgeoisie from joining the Proletariat in solidarity, the Bourgeoisie proper turns their hatred against the Proletariat and Lumpenproletariat.

What does this all mean, in practical, American terms? Small business owners, landlords, ie the "middle class," is shrinking in power, so the Small Business Owners are aligning with billionaires like Musk and Bezos against immigrants, workers, unhoused peopled, gender/sexual minorities, women, ethnic minorities, and more.

How do we fix this? Grow the Petite Bourgeoisie and restore their position? Absolutely not! That's when fascism is established. Trying to "turn the clock back to the good old days" results in dramatic reductions in worker rights and a solidification of power.

What we need to do is establish Socialism. A victory of the Proletariat, a folding of the large monopolist syndicates into the public sector so they can be centrally planned for the public good, rather than privately planned for profit, is the way forward. This is the way to escape fascism's rise. This is the way to defeat MAGA.

I recommend reading the book Blackshirts and Reds, fascism's irrationality has rational, material origins, that can be understood and defeated, and it isn't in the "marketplace of ideas."

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

My daughter calls them trumpy grumpies and I thought it was a good name.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

The moment you understand that MAGA is the party of hate is the moment you understand this election. It explains both Islamic and Latino support for Republicans. They were betrayed by Democrats, and are willing to let the rest of us hang for it. I hope selling out for the center Republicans was worth destroying the demographic coalition.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

My wife is Indonesian Muslim, hates Kamala for what we're doing in Palestine and told me not to vote for her. I'm still voting for Kamala but man that was a hard conversation I never would have expected. Seems like the military owns everything these days

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

The hard part is, she gets to pick between genocide, and genocide with fewer rights for women.

I don't understand why she'd pick the latter, but anger does crazy things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

It's "I'm fucked" vs "I'm fucked and those that fucked me die too".

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (32 children)

My wife is Indonesian Muslim, hates Kamala for what we're doing in Palestine and told me not to vote for her. I'm still voting for Kamala

Have you considered having solidarity with your wife? Did you convince her to vote Kamala, or is this still a wedge issue? Or are you not even telling her?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Oof, that must be a weird conversation. Am Indonesian.

Any conversation touching Islam adjacent lost any nuance with the general population more often than not . Not saying your wife is one, but let's be honest the education quality here is abysmal and at the same time we're number 1 muslim by population. Also our "Netizen" is notorious for wrongly attacking any issue they misunderstood.

One of our top singer got berated nationwide because she wore a skirt with a random arabic text in it, people thought it was a Holy script and she's Christian.

I kid you not one election season I saw an angry mob with a banner that said USA = COMMUNIST !!

Most have hard enough time just to get by day to day so I get it, they take anything to blame. With corruption top to bottom it's a sad state all around. I'm grateful it's still a relatively peaceful affair though, at least here in Java.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

She understands that Trump would actively get on the ground and help the IDF out if he could, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

It's gonna get harder. Especially if you guys have kids.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

It's the dixiecrats after we took the one thing they loved: Jim Crow and their ability to be superior to anyone who isn't white.

We even dared to elect a black person president over them, they will NEVER forgive us for that, it went against everything they believe in.

You don't understand, to them this is justice for our unimaginable crimes against them, we took the only thing they had in life.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Would be kinda funny to double down and elect a black woman next. Bet they would just love that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago

Wait, isn't she Indian? Did she just BECOME black?

/s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

God I hope we get there...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Yes that explains the South and the Aryan Nations in the NW. They were a given in this scenario. I have plenty of experience and a little too much understanding of both.

Party of Hate. For them it's racial, religious, and cultural.

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