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Steam Deck

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It is important to us, and we’ve tried to be really clear, we are not doing the yearly cadence. We’re not going to do a bump every year. There’s no reason to do that. And, honestly, from our perspective, that’s kind of not really fair to your customers to come out with something so soon that’s only incrementally better. So we really do want to wait for a generational leap in compute without sacrificing battery life before we ship the real second generation of Steam Deck. But it is something that we’re excited about and we’re working on.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Understandable.

What I will say though is that I personally wouldn't mind regular spec bumps at all. The Deck isn't exactly a cheap device and to get the "latest and greatest" for your "investment" at any given point of purchase would help longevity.

But as I said, in this case it makes a lot of sense (for Valve). SteamOS is still under heavy development, even more basic stuff such as the update mechanism and also power management is something they're still working to improve.

They also use a custom APU designed in collaboration with AMD, and these designs cost a lot of money. It's not just a rebranded 7840U like the Z1 Extreme for example. This custom design makes a lot of sense in terms of focusing on gaming performance and efficiency, and it clearly shows in (very) power limited scenarios.

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new Steam Deck based on Zen 5 and RDNA 4 with another custom designed APU sometime in 2025 or early 2026. Zen 2 is really starting to show its age and Zen 5 is a solid leap even over Zen 4 (not talking about desktop CPUs here, but Ryzen AI 300). RDNA 4 will likely improve quite a bit over RDNA 3(.5) (with the current Deck having RDNA 2) and include some type of hardware-accelerated machine learning upscaling with FSR4, which could make a lot of sense on the Deck as long as enough games support it.

I'd also like to see a few other improvements. The OLED display is great in many aspects, but VRR would be a great feature to have. Internally I'd like to see an easier way to swap the battery, maybe using similar tech to what Apple does with the iPhone 16's battery. Currently, swapping the battery is one of the most complex repairs on the Deck, but it'll also be the most common a few years down the line when all these batteries really start to show their age.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Currently, swapping the battery is one of the most complex repairs on the Deck,

Is it really? I know there's some glue holding the battery itself, but otherwise my understanding is that the battery is really easy to access.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

iFixit rates it "Difficult" for the Steam Deck OLED and says the time required is 2-3 hours:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Steam+Deck+OLED+Battery+Replacement/168676

This is a slight improvement from the original Deck's estimated 2-4 hours:

https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Steam+Deck+Battery+Replacement/149070

It requires removing quite a few parts but the most annoying part is getting rid of the adhesive. It doesn't have easy-to-access pull tabs or whatever.

They can certainly improve this. Either add pull tabs to the adhesive strips, or better yet use the mechanism from the iPhone 16 where you apply voltage to the adhesive to make dissolve/no longer stick. Or even better make it a screw-in battery without any glue whatsoever. Then update the routing of several cables so they aren't in the way of removing the battery.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I honestly think (hope) valve should take a shot at a genuine console. I would absolutely love something that just WORKS like steam deck, but unlike my PS5 syncs with my steam library and can easily transition to my deck with no fuss. Library compatibility, graphic customization, capable of functioning as a one stop media device for the TV room. I feel like the steam machines were too early and too short sighted/compartmentalized, but now that so many games are coming to PC, valve could take everything the PlayStation 5 did right, while removing all the bullshit that drives people nuts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But why limit this to console only, when this will be a full featured PC that can do so much more. Plus there are plenty of open source streaming tools like Moonlight and sunshine that can stream your game directly to your TV. You have Jellyfin for media streaming etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Because I don't need or want it to do any of that, nor do most people that purchase a console. I want it to be a steam-friendly PS5 replacement, and serve the exact role that a console serves. A steam-friendly replacement would have the same OS features that deck has, and allow a similar degree of customization. You are not the use case if you don't understand that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A new take on the Steam Machine could potentially knock Xbox out of the market in their current state, and I'm okay with that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Steam machines were a great idea that the market wasn't quite ready for, and were too niche at the time. The steam deck has proved people of all technical levels are ready and willing to embrace a non-windows OS, and don't care what it is as long as it can easily give them access to their content. I have an Nvidia shield, a PS5, a steam deck and a desktop PC. My game library is disjointed and I rarely play anything on the PC, because there is no good way to make it convenient. The vast majority of the time I use my steam deck, I'm sitting on my couch, just like my PS5 .

A steam console could unify everything, cut my devices while simplifying my experience and giving me way more control over the invasive bullshit that comes with streaming and android devices. That has so much upside and value to me, it's hard to even put a price tag on it tbh.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It's not what makes them money so they don't really have the business incentive for maximizing hardware sales that leads to a relentless pushing out of new versions of their hardware that are barely better than the last one and all manner of tricks for early obsolescence of older devices (things like purposeful OS and App under-performance and even incompatibility with older versions of the hardware).

Also in the big picture of gaming the Steam Deck is tiny and in its early stages, so business-wise is not the time to go down a strategy of relentless new hardware versions and enshittification, quite the opposite.

Absolutely, they're doing the right thing and as the right thing aligns with their business objectives it's a bit wishful thinking to claim its because they care so much about their customers as people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Might sound kind of stupid, but one thing I'd personally love for the steam deck would be the ability to detach the display from the controls on each side like the Nintendo switch so I could use it like a small tablet in portrait mode. You can already do that, but it's awkward and bulky.

I'd actually use it for browsing the web on desktop mode and I could probably get rid of my android tablet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Can you use an external controller, and a stand of some kind?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Nah. One big piece let's them fit more excellent inside.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A desperately needed view in an industry of fashionable e-waste. Apple, Google and now Microsoft: I'm looking at you

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Number must go up

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I just sold my 4090 after playing some latest hit AAA games I didn’t like at all and I play only indies on deck, it’s the best gaming device ever

Also it seems the only games I liked from hundreds of aaa graphics eye candies from recent years are rdr2 and cyberpunk and bg3. I unironically think there are fewer great big aaa games nowadays cmv and I am not planning another xx90 card any time soon

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’d like to get a Steam Deck but was wondering if it’s getting close to a newer, better version coming soon. This makes me feel more comfortable, not that I have the budget for one right now anyway.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

It would be a real shame that they moved onto the next big thing while the Steam Deck is not even widely available.

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