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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I feel like this happened with Sparking Zero, they actually had to skip parts of the story because

"Whoops, we didn't have stages ready for the Universe 6/7 Tournament, King Kai Training, or Inside Buu segments, gotta skip it!"

The lack of stages in general pisses me off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This was due to something that happened between (roughly, very roughly) 2005 and 2015. Games went from being made by a bunch of nerds who really wanted to make games, to a more corporate setting, to a marketing setting.

Fifteen years ago QA would declare Alpha, Beta, etc, in that the build fit the criteria for each state. Then, marketing would set a date, and on that date, Alpha, Beta, etc would be 'ready.'

This lead to huge problems. There was a time where Alpha meant Feature Complete, and that there were only a few major crashes. Beta meant you had no, or virtually no, reproable crashes, game ending bugs, etc. Once marketing took over, it didn't matter. Instead of Beta being a checklist, it was just 'March 10th.'

In addition to this, innovative and cool game design ideas are harder to sell visually than 'we doubled the poly's!' So more and more focus was put on visuals to the point where marketing would assign things to the design team, IE. "It has to have ~~battlefield~~ ~~COD~~ ~~tarkov~~ ~~CSGO~~ ~~TF2~~ Popular Game-like mechanics, gameplay, etc."

So now you get games shipped with incredible graphics and garbage stability. I've been on projects where crashes later in the campaign were changed from P1 to P2 because reviewers likely wouldn't make it to the point where those would come up. (This is called 'punting'.) In addition, having arbitrary dates decide major milestones means that builds are constantly broken, all through the process of creating them. You know how people get that 'beta' build of a game and ask why it's so crash happy, why it runs like shit, etc? It's because the game has literally never been stable. It's been assigned Alpha and Beta based on a calendar, and time is never allowed to delay to fix issues. Add to that that the owners of game companies will give publishers absolutely asinine claims about how long a game will take. Most franchise games, 'AAA'-wise, are made in 18 months. However, they often also had six months of pre-production before that. Marketing took that out, and focused on a game every 12 months. They used a secondary studio for the 'B-Team' and thus every second game in the series was made by said 'B-Team'. B-Teams were given even less time, and often no pre-production, so the entire game would effectively be made in 12 months.

Then they lay off 50-70% of the staff, and start all over.

So if I may end this way, do not go into games. If you like them make them in your free time. You will be treated like an animal and be unemployed about 1/4 of the time if you choose the inudstry. Of all the people who I worked with in my first company, maybe six are still in games.

Stay away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Maybe the most fucking disgusting part of all of this is that it doesn't even lead to more money. The shitty western companies are all fucking floundering right now because they have no institutional knowledge, there's no way to become a veteran game dev at a company that churns through their workforce every 12 months, and suddenly you have out of touch execs at Ubisoft and EA wondering why people don't play their games. All the innovation that comes from pouring your soul into a project for the long-term comes from indie developers now, and it's left AAA games feeling as soulless to play as they are to make.

Meanwhile in the east you have companies like FromSoftware and Capcom who are just laughing all the way to the bank, because their competition is all run by idiots.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you for putting all these pieces together.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you like games, work on a crowd-sourced game like Endless Sky.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember before the first Fable came out, in an interview or preview of the game in one of the magazines I subscribed to mentioned that you would be able to carve your name into a tree and then see it scar the tree as it aged over time, and even then as a teenager, I was like "bull fucking shit."

They didn't even have that as, like, a cutscene. Let alone a mechanic.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And people STILL take peter's word at face value today.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Also 90% of the development time went into making this feature, so a few cuts had to be made in less important areas like gameplay and story.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Sure, programmers that make systemic features like these also write the story

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Games soon: modders removed the nail clipping mechanic for a 1600% performance boost (while also adding ultra wide support and removing the arbitrary 30fps cap in cutscenes); however the due to legal action the modder had to take it down or him and his family would be jailed and forced to pay $30 million for harming the company.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

serves the modder right for implementing the DLC before it was released

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gamers went wild for RDR2 realistic horse bollocks and shit physics,

So i kinda blame them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I also don’t care wir RDR2. The game ran well in my experience and it wasn’t getting on your nerves. You didn’t even notice, if you didn’t look for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean you didn't twist the camera up underneath the horse and check to make sure the balls behave realistically? And you call yourself a gamer...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I don’t think I did.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How did you know they're realistic without lifting the tail on a real horse for comparison?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I like playing minecraft to relax a lot of the time.

One game mod I was always interested in was a game character with a life span.

Normally, you can play a game like minecraft in hard core mode .... basically one life and when you die the game is lost completely. I see many hard core mode players who can make their game last months or years and in some instances, they've carefully crafted everything to the point where they are more or less protected from everything. They could play it indefinitely, at least within an actual human lifetime.

One Mod I'd like to see is to have a hardcore mode ... but with a built in lifespan and an aging character. Give the character a lifespan of about 80 human years ... a day in minecraft is 10 minutes I think ... so here is my calculation ....

Roughly 82 years can be broken down to 300,000 days ... so if a minecraft day cycle is ten minutes of day and ten minutes of night - we multiply 20 with 300,000 and you get 6 million minutes, which adds up to a maximum of about 11.4 years of real human years of active game playing.

So an entire hard core mode game cycle would be programmed for a maximum lifespan of 6 million minutes or 11.4 years of playing time ... but there is a catch.

Of course you could die by the usual ways of accidental death. But your player is spawned as a weak child character for the first 750,000 minutes (37,500 minecraft day/night cycles) - (which corresponds to the first ten years of human life) ... don't worry, you are born into a village that protects you, or at least tries to and you have to figure out how to survive by not being able to hold tools, weapons or use basically anything other than to eat whatever you can find and shelter in place.

A teenaged period could be programmed in for the next ten year cycle but we'll just skip to full adult for now.

So starting at 37,500 minecraft day/night cycles ... you automatically become an adult and now the game can start as usual. However a clock starts working in the background. For the next 3,000,000 minutes (150,000 minecraft day / night cycles) - this corresponds to the human ages from 10 to 50 - you are more or less a healthy normal adult.

After this point, your character requires more food and food doesn't last as long in your system. You are also 30% slower, 30% weaker and you incur 30% more damage when hit (regardless of what equipment you carry)

The next stage is started after this period ends (this corresponds to human ages 50 to 70) ... now for the next 1,500,000 minutes (75,000 minecraft day / night cycles) ... your character ages again .. you are now 30% more slower, 30% more weaker and you incur 30% more damage with every hit (regardless of what equipment you carry) ... at this point your character is moving around 60% slower and can't do much any more.

The last segment is the last ten years of life (from age 70 to 80) ... 750,000 minutes (37,500 minecraft day/night cycles) ... if you survived this long, you can now barely move and everything is dangerous to you again ... like the first ten years of life. At this point, no matter what you do, if you achieve everything and stay safe to the end of the clock, your player just dies and the game is over without any choice.

I don't know if anyone would enjoy that game or not ... I'm not sure if I would either ... but I would probably by excited about it at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey let me show you my 11ish year long hardcore world. Isn’t that cool check this out and this….

Times up. You Died. World Deleted.

11 years of your real like literally wiped away with no choice in the matter. I can’t say there’d be none that try. But I can’t imagine that sitting well with many.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Same here .... but I was imagining a gamer youtuber building an entire community around the life of a minecraft character ... documenting everything they're doing ... near misses, near deaths, mine adventures ... but mostly watching the character grow old ... and the holding a funeral of sorts for the life and death of a minecraft character that a bunch of people would have followed for 11 years.

It would be like watching your favourite TV character or actor and the following their work over a few years and then realizing that they have to die and life moves on.

It's not the typical idea of an ever lasting game with no end ... it's more an admission that these things come and go and we all have a finite lifespan.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I played a MUD once that had characters age. When you got older, it affected some of your stats. You wanted your cleric to be older because that benefitted wisdom and mana, but fighter types wanted to be young for the health bonuses.

There were equipment that modified effective age, and you could remort at max level to reset it. It was kind of cool, aside from the first time I was like "why is my HP Regen so low? Ooh my cleric is like 120 years old"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Sid Myers Pirates! Has the character age which affects stats too. I can't remember if you can die of old age but I think at some point it forces retirement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I feel like games have gotten less realistic in recent years. Like we had destructible terrain on the PS2 with red faction and games today still don't really do it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The issue with something like destructible terrain is that if your one and only goal is graphical fidelity, the only thing the AAA companies care about, then it actually becomes a massive resource hog. You'll need to have artists render each photorealistic way that a piece of a scene could turn to debris. It's the kinda thing that sounds simple, but could take a team of artists months or even years to accomplish.

If you look at an incredible game like Teardown which really delivers on full destructibility, you can see that they're using voxels and the game looks a little blocky. It's the kinda thing you can easily ignore with good art direction though, which Teardown has. The problem is that you need talented directors to conceptualize that, and most of the talent in the Western games industry is being wasted by corps that want to treat developers like single-use plastics and trash them once the current project is out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately if you have walls today that get destroyed like Red Faction, you would get people complaining that it's lazy and looks weird. But to get a wall to break with the standards we have now takes an exponential amount more processing power because not only do you need the walls to break "realistically" but it also has to render the super nice graphics on each little piece of that wall break.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I disagree and counter with Minecraft. Art styles don't need to be hyper realistic to accomplish immersion.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The relative success of Teardown refutes this, I think.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's actually exactly what I was going to add on to my post but decided against it. I assumed OP was talking about AAA games since those are the topic of this post. There's plenty of indie games that have less worse graphics with breakable walls.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Battlebit: Remastered before the devs bailed on it, too

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I still blame the advent of graphics. Look at final fantasy: up until 10, everything was simple graphics for the most part and storytelling was key. Then graphics began to explode and everything became about the visuals. The same thing happened with other games around that time(roughly when the ps2 launched). Now everything is raytracing this, lighting that, dynamic shadows this.

Don't get me wrong, it's all very cool. But it feels like the AAA focus went towards graphics and it's taken the Indie scene (and Nintendo, love them or hate them), to keep pumping out creative and "just fun to play' games.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I agree. FF is an interesting example though. It was always very much about the visuals, even when isometric. But it wasn't just about the visuals as it seems to be now. The story has gotten less and less coherent over time.

I actually really enjoyed 13, but this new stuff is awful. If I wanted an action RPG, there are better places for that.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile I still play Mount & Blade: Warband. The graphics hold up today, but it's not like they're good. But the game is just so damn good they mean absolutely nothing.

Edit: I should also mention I'm young, I'm sure somebody would point out that Warband isn't old compared to a lot of games, but in my eyes 2010 (which was 14 years ago, that makes my young ass feel old too) is an old game, although I'm going to be honest, I totally thought it was from like 2006

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I think your point stands well. You're playing an older game despite less fancy graphics because the gameplay itself is engaging. 2010 counts as "old" in my book. Anything previous generation and beyond definitely isn't "modern".

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree. I wish that everything wasn't just decoration, aside from some designated destructible boxes or barrels.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It feels like old cartoons(Tom & Jerry/Looney Toons era) where they drew the background as a muted static cell and only freshly animated things that moved. Objects in games are either entirely real, or just a painting on a texture. We're still at "if I can touch it, it's probably important. Otherwise ignore it".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This perfectly describes Star Citizen.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know that's fake cause they wouldn't add physically interactible objects to modern games

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unless it's for a quest or achievement. 40 years later you log onto steam, and unlock the hidden achievement "degrade a bag full of nail clippings"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure The Stanley Parable has some achievements like that. Like don't play the game for 5 years then open it again or something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Yep that one exists. I'm currently working on the 10 year achievement in Stanley Parable Deluxe. It's good to have long-term concrete goals.

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