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[–] diz@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Nobel prize in Physics for attempting to use physics in AI but it didn't really work very well and then one of the guys working on a better more pure mathematics approach that actually worked and got the Turing Award for the latter, but that's not what the prize is for, while the other guy did some other work, but that is not what the prize is for. AI will solve all physics!!!111

[–] raktheundead@fedia.io 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The Nobel Prize committee really seem to be trying hard to make this the worst set of awardees ever, aren't they? All we need is another Kissinger-esque situation for the Peace Prize and a Handke-esque situation for the Literature prize and they'll have disgraced the Nobel Prizes permanently.

[–] diz@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago

Then next year Hopfield and Hinton go back to Sweden, don't tell king of Sweden anything, king of Sweden still gives them the Nobel Prize! King of Sweden now has conditioned reflex!

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago

I was going to suggest Vitalik Buterin for the Fake Nobel of Economics as a bit, but the coiners already beat me to it.

So my next choices for the award would be SBF or Bored Ape Yacht Club.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 0 points 7 months ago

Netanyahu for the peace prize, is Vance for literature.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Using tools from physics to create something that is popular but unrelated to physics is enough for the nobel prize in physics?

So, if say a physicist creates a new recipe for the world's greatest potato casserole, and it becomes popular everywhere, and they used some physics for creating the recipe to calculate the best heat distribution or whatever, then that's enough?

[–] diz@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Using tools from physics to create something that is popular but unrelated to physics is enough for the nobel prize in physics?

If only, it's not even that! Neither Boltzmann machines nor Hopfield networks led to anything used in the modern spam and deepfake generating AI, nor in image recognition AI, or the like. This is the kind of stuff that struggles to get above 60% accuracy on MNIST (hand written digits).

Hinton went on to do some different stuff based on backpropagation and gradient descent, on newer computers than those who came up with it long before him, and so he got Turing Award for that, and it's a wee bit controversial because of the whole "people doing it before, but on worse computers, and so they didn't get any award" thing, but at least it is for work that is on the path leading to modern AI and not for work that is part of the vast list of things that just didn't work and it's extremely hard to explain why you would even think they would work in the first place.

[–] diz@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago

Maybe if the potato casserole is exploded in the microwave by another physicist, on his way to start a resonance cascade...

(i'll see myself out).

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

if there's a massive potato casserole bubble

[–] BasiqueEvangelist@mstdn.social 0 points 7 months ago

@dgerard @nightsky when we getting pivot-to-massive-potato-casserole.com

[–] pikesley@mastodon.me.uk 0 points 7 months ago

@dgerard @nightsky Massive Potato Casserole Bubble is a Squarepusher EP you can't fool me

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago

AI is poisoning science development. It is not necessary that everything uses AI ffs!!

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Yada yada Chinese room

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

nobel committee went full on ai-brained this year, nobel prize in chemistry is for alphafold. they had three good years in a row, had to do something stupid ig

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

lol that's gonna age like milk

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 7 months ago

still better than peace prize for kissinger

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

i mean they still can give nobel prize in literature to chatgpt for extruding most text in unit of time

this is not my field, but allegedly alphafold kinda works, but it's also not ai and more pattern matching, something that google does expertly. i still don't think that it's gonna be very useful even that it does solve a hard problem

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

half goes to david baker, you might remember him from rosetta@home thing. the other two people are from google deepmind

i guess it's one of these years when chemistry nobel goes to biologists, but now with layer of ai hype on top for some weird fucking reason

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago

Hinton could be the first guy to win a Nobel and an Ignobel in the same year.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 0 points 7 months ago

ah yes, the dynamite guy award show, a fine institution of the ages

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

Given how much money is being ~~wasted~~ invested in AI, they should have given them the Economics prize.

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