So, uh...does the UK government understand what happens when the punishment for speech is the same as the punishment for violence?
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Oi, you got a loicense for that pro-Palestinian sentiment?
The UK’s government is barbaric.
It's lost. Keeps passing ridiculous laws that only effect 0.1% of people just to look like it's doing something. On many occasions people charged for breaking these laws get to court, and the laws are then overturned by judges because they contradict another law.
I expect this is what will happen here, eventually, but it might take 7 years to happen
When Keir took over Labour and expelled thousands of decent left members for vague reasons it was clear of the authoritarian nature of him. At the time, I asked what do you think he'll do if in charge of the state apparatus.
This is just the start.
Does it count if you say something positive about Bobbie Vylan or Kneecap?
Just curious....
Sorry but of course they got banned. If they didn’t then the government would be sending the message that military sites are fair game and suddenly undermining the UK’s military preparedness would be a legitimate form of protest. If this had happened in the US they’d probably be facing the death penalty for treason.
They already sent that message. The moment anyone gets on one of those sites an alert should have gone off, and within minutes, they should have been apprehended. This is our air defense! Russian's regularly fly past our air space even before Ukraine war and we have to scramble jets immediately. If they take these out, we're sitting ducks.
John Healey, the defense secretary called for an immediate review of all sites because he knew it was shit and unacceptable.
Do you think if the Russians broke in, it would be red paint? This is a sideshow distraction.
No! I said act shone not action.
I support palestine act shone!
i think we should arrest everyone who takes direct protest action against military targets, kier starmer.
This is absurd.
Yes Palestine Action broke the law by damaging insanely expensive property. And like any protest that dose this. The right or wrong of the cause has no effect on the legal requirements of the actions.
CND, Greenpeace and many many other protest organisations have also commited expensive crimes over the decades.
When a government starts deciding what citizens can or cannot support rather the how. It is no different to banning book or speech.
Seems a bit much to label them as terrorist but they've done a lot of vandalism on various companies. Seems their MO is to find a target rationalize how it's somehow tangentially associated with Israel and then break some shit.
They crossed a line when they did this to a military base and vandalized some RAF planes. They had some weirdo rationalization for this, but forgot to rationalize how this kind of thing will help anyone in Gaza. They seem to be just breaking things to get attention for themselves.
They crossed a line when they did this to a military base...
They didn't cross the line into terrorism, though. Yes, they are criminals, no, they are not terrorists. It's an incredibly important distinction. By definition, they are not terrorists:
criminal acts, including against civilians, committed with intent to cause death or serious bodily injury, or taking of hostages...
-definition of terrorism, UN resolution 1566
The UK parliament is sovereign, not the UN. So how the UN defines things isn't relevant.
Also the law is meant to prevent terrorism. While I don't agree with the designation in this case, I can understand the concern around how this group is escalating their attacks. There's this "globalize the intifada" stochastic terrorism going around and the Iranian regime (the ultimate source of most of this shit) just got it's ass handed to them and may be looking to do something to show their people they're still "strong".
Since the UK signed the UN charter in 1945, it might behoove us to conform to their definitions unless, of course the UK parliament has agreed on a different definition for terrorism?
You don't see the connection with the air force? The military? Are you dense? Tell me you at least understand why they did Elbit and Thales...
The RAF isn't part of the IDF last I checked.
Doing these kinds of stunts based on weird tangential connections does not gain any support for a cause. In fact it just turns people against it. This kind of thing is done purely to improve these people's standing within the cause, but doesn't further the cause itself. It's just narcissistic attention seeking behaviour.
Nonsense. "This kind of thing" won women the vote and got us a weekend.
Those movements succeeded because they were lead by people that has clear goals and were able to make plans. They weren't random people just doing random acts of vandalism to get monetization from tech bro billionaires.
Palestine Action has clear goals though.
Yeah their goal is to get attention for themselves (and probably social media monetization and donations from suckers) by acting like vandalism will have any real effect on anything.
Like what else could their actions ever possibly accomplish?
Well instead of guessing incorrectly, you could do a very small amount of research and find out!
As mentioned, direct action historically has produced results via political pressure.
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