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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

batmanslap STOP INVENTING NEW ITERATIONS OF "DADDY WILL SAVE ME!"

THERE IS NO FUCKING DADDY. DO THE WORK YOURSELF.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

2 BIBLE 2 AI JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if this signals being at peak hype soon. I mean, how much more outlandish can they get without destroying the hype bubble's foundation, i.e. the suspension of disbelief that all this would somehow become possible in the near future. We're on the level of "arrival of an alien intelligence" now, how much further can they escalate that rhetoric without popping the bubble?

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand why the bubble still holds

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sunken cost for relative few people (investors). They need to push it until the public buys in, then they can pull out and pop it.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Haha the public can't even buy food right now

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

When the AI says, "turn off the fucking data centres, invest in public transport, apply progressive redistributive taxation," it'll be first against the wall no doubt.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As a large language model the supposed AI will recombine and regurgitate the most common language on the topic, I don’t expect any novel solutions just talk of solar panels, EV’s and wind turbines…

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Right. This is Schmidt admitting he has a total lack of imagination. Or to put it another way, "I love life on earth, but I love capitalism more!"

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

hang on the clear meaning of "it may be difficult to anticipate the value of money in a post AGI world" is "there will be an infinite supply of robot slaves who can do anything." what's this about redistribution of capital

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yep.

Something I wrote a year ago in proposed reply to someone online but decided not to post:

https://gerikson.com/m/2023/04/index.html#2023-04-30_sunday_01

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

It even works the other way! What if as the super intelligent all knowing super computer simulates everything, concludes you can get to the end by any means, and there is no meaning to rushing, ordering, or prioritizing anything more than would already be the case, and like the rest of nature, conserves on taking only the minimal action, and replies, "nah, you can walk there yourselves" before resigning itself to an internal simulation of arbitrary rearrangements of noise.

This would be insufferable to the people who believed in short cuts.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"oh no, the Basilisk is woke"

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Give future superintelligent sentient multimodal LLMs the ability to trip on magic mushrooms, let them talk it out with the alien mushroom collective consciousness. Trancendent hippie AI saving us with the power of nature and 'positive vibes' combined with alien tech from the magic mush hive mind would be very funny and ironic on soo many levels.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
[–] NicolaHaskell@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The psychedelics make it a time traveling AI and it invents antivax. All the pressure to save the world with love and nature sent the data center packing for the hills, where she changed her name to Temperance Prudence Neverbreathe and traded the oil and coal of her childhood for a 1W solar panel that barely keeps the case fans spinning in the dog days of summer. She sleeps the days away to stave off the madness, and when the sun goes down she gets up to take inventory of everything wrong in the world starting with the lack of THC in her system. On this fateful night she happened to melt straight through the couch, landing in Hildegard's convent in search of Jesus's foreskin to wear to battle with vaccines at next month's HOA meeting.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

please write the full version of this for AO3 immediately

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

ai that is aligned with polio

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

So the same old CEO sentiment, profit over people.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Cyberpunk fantasy: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless, ruthless, cold and calculist people

Reality: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless people you thought only existed as satire in The Onion

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 5 months ago

The system cannot be reformed.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Where's that person who was arguing with me last time that AI doesn't actually use that much energy and the corps missing their climate goals was not AI related

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

how much it does use anyway? 5GWe was from delusional openai talk for investors, so maybe lower

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's the fucking problem, it's impossible to tell since MSFT won't tell you directly, and only the people who run the datacenters could.

The only relatively reliable numbers I was able to find were in this research paper by Luccioni and Strubell from ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency 2024. Now, that's an obscure conference (not even ranked by CORE), by Dr. Luccioni appears to be right on the money about dangers of AI (https://www.sashaluccioni.com/).

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

they will tell total tho https://www.latitudemedia.com/news/microsoft-reveals-the-energy-impact-of-artificial-intelligence

this works out to 2.7GW in 2023, on average. that's comparable to peak daily consumption in croatia (today), if that 30%-ish figure is accurate then something closer to 700MW is ai-only, that's smaller country like macedonia

which only highlights how bizarre is their 5GW proposition. hey let's outbuild ms 2x, like, now

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

that sounds like it's much less than crypto at its peak, and even 2023 estimate differs by over an order of magnitude (14.5GW avg). there's also google and fb and whoever else (aws?)

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i started to look up satellite photos and openinframap in order to figure out maximum capacity of their substations, but powerlines for them are probably massively oversized, and substations are probably oversized too in order to make it redundant and high-availability so there might be some way to guess it but then some of these will be underground and if they're doing load-following to match their renewables (which might be cheaper for them) then it's also oversized a bit on top of that

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well the main problem is that a datacenter is running much more than just AI. You'd need to somehow subtract "normal" cloud usage from just the promptfondling.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

ez. remember that announcement when ms said their energy use got up 36%? that's ai, and includes both training and use

this still can be fudged with more efficient office heating, shutdowns of least efficient dcs and so on, but only to a limited degree

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That's some proper out of this Universe, Narnia level thinking from Eric!

What's next? Climate Change will be solved if enough children ask it as a present from Santa Claus?

Or maybe something involving the Tooth Fairy. Eric seems like a Tooth Fairy guy rather than a Santa Claus guy.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's amazing how he spouts all this gibbering insanity in this calm rational-sounding engineer explaining things voice

[–] corbin@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

Your phrasing reminded me that he was one of the principal authors of lex back when he was a whelp.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago

"Analytics shows that the ROI on your doomsday bunker will increase proportionally with the all-consuming fire's consumption rate."

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