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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/28930199

A bit of an effortpost :)

Please do crosspost in more fitting communities if you think of any

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

How did we move from usenet to forums?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hosting a forum costs money, and we ain't got that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

There were plenty of free forum hosts back in the day. (edit: just did a search and there are still free forum hosts)

But then social media came out, and everyone got addicted to the gamified dopamine mechanics like upvotes and shit. So now everything has to have upvotes, or likes, or whatever other stupid bullshit shit that has absolutely ruined human interaction and discourse and is single handedly to blame for the extremity in modern discourse, because the need to drive clicks and upvotes leads to extreme polarization where no common sense, honest discussion can be held.

because you either 100% agree with me (upvote) or you are a baby killing bastard who disagrees with me (downvote), and there can be no middle ground! /s

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

boomers figured out the other mediums.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No, boomers invented forums (and the internet itself). Millenials invented Web 2.0 (as they called it), the corporate takeover of the internet.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The same way you moved from reddit to here. Dissatisfaction and momentum.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I still post on Wil Wheaton's old phpBB forum from time to time. Nobody else does, though. :(

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Does he post on there? Lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

No. He's on Tumblr.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah. Federating forums seem like a useful feature to keep them going. The forum style has it benefits that the discord and reddit style lacks. Sadly a forum I used a lot for my community is now in its final days, even if it managed to last a lot longer than others

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe ask if they're willing to switched over to lemmy? You can sort like a forum does. Long shot but hey....

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

true. I didn't consider that. That would could work. Lemmy is a lot more advanced in that regard. Currently the best ideas are Discord and give up, and the original owners are done with the idea, but I could try and create a spiritual successor on here. Lemmy suffers a bit from the same isues as Forums with lack of people, but I only need to convince the OGs. I need to think about that, and a forum from 2004 whose software is a decade out of date is easy to beat in that regard

Also thanks for creating this awesome instance.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Usenet is still useful for... other things 🏴‍☠️

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

carrier pigeon erasue.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was considering mentioning that GenX stuff, but I felt it was too obscure and would only serve to posture my creds :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Your creds could be diminished based on which usenet forums you frequented. I had a little while in my 90s youth obsessed with researching marihuana, libertarian ideals, and discrediting Scientology in the alt.scientology groups. Not great, kind of normal for usenet, but there were much darker places to inhabit there. Worst of all was posting from my university account with my real name.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Usenet is where I discovered slack.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Forums still exist, there only for extremely niche things though...Like high powered flashlights

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Here in Germany the forum culture is still somewhat alive, social media did take a big cut though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I wish retro gaming was niche enough for nintendoage and assemblergames to still be around...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

The grossest franchise of all time (Pokémon) still has like 20 forums going on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Somethingawful is still going strong, even after Lowtax died.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Out of all the things, Reddit is probably still the best for flashlight purchasing advice.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

ah yes, the age old tale of "the internet sucks and people are stupid"

If you've ever tried hosting a web based solution you'll know exactly what i mean. The entirety of web hosting is a disaster. The entire mountain of web code is a nightmare, and the collection of website based frameworks do nothing more than burn electricity and man hours to create a fucking button on a screen.

as for discord, i haven't puzzled that one out yet, i don't understand. Probably lazy developers and the community aspect, it's a forum, but free, and worse. And now you can shitpost with random people you don't even know!

Personally, i believe that enshittifcation is an inevitability. You put somebody in a room with something, and when you take them out, that thing will somehow have gotten more complex, and thus probably worse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Isn't discord just shittier, proprietary IRC? I'm only on it because my Linux distro's dev uses it for communication for some reason, but from what I can tell, it's just a locked-down IRC client you can buy emojis and shit on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

it's IRC but if it had all the features, and was monetized. It has a lot more features from what i understand, but aside from that it's basically just a VOIP communication platform with video sharing. IDK why there aren't any significant alternatives like we have with mumble tho.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's also got great VOIP functionality. And it's been a hot minute since I've used IRC, but you can automate tons of things in Discord around things like user roles. I play an old fighting game that has no ranked system, and all of that functionality, including running weekly tournaments, is handled by a Discord bot that runs on a Raspberri Pi.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Discord, at one point, was better than a lot of other app on the market, and they were one of the first where you could just create an account and join any group, for free.

It became the standard, and now we're stuck with that shit

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

eventually people are going to have to wisen up to the VC funding strategy. It's not going to last forever, i hope.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In an ideal world yes, but we've learned nothing from the Dotcom bubble, or the 2008 housing bubble.

If there is money to be made, history will repeat itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

this is true, but for some reason i am rather optimistic about the future of this particular venture, idk why.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't hold your breath on the whole "wisening up to the VC funding" thing. People today still believe the moon landing was somehow faked to own the libs or something silly like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

obviously but VC funding is predicated on very slimy concepts and it's pretty easy for the broad market forces to adapt away from it, as we see with current VC projects. We just need to somehow deal with that problem. That's the hard part though.

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