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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

@[email protected]

You wanna stop believing everything a political party claims now?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

To answer your question, no, I don't believe everything a political party says.

I had to go back to the post from 22 days ago to figure out who you even were. I recommended you read that comment section again, because our conversation was not the most memorable comment chain there. I had a conversation with an openly racist troll. I figured it had to be that user again, but your username and user icon didn't look right.

If the Uncommited Movement won't endorse Harris then they are making a mistake. There's still time for them to change their mind. What the Uncommitted Movement cited seemed to be ethical concerns. Moral reasoning cannot help us against fascism and genocide. We need to think in terms of utility. It is useful to endorse Harris because in a two party system either Harris or Trump will be elected. And Harris is the candidate that will do the least harm to the Palestinians. Where as Trump will allow Israel to complete its genocide.

Withholding votes and endorsements isn't a meaningful way to create change in our democracy. We need to push the Overton window to the left. We do this by both voting for the most viable progressive and/or socialist option in elections and advocating for progressive and/or socialist causes between elections. Allowing fascists to takeover our democracy and kill us in death camps to avoid personal ethical quandaries does nothing to further a progressive and/or socialist agenda.

Also, to be clear, we need a socialist agenda, but a lot of progressives probably haven't realized that yet. Regardless, a progressive majority would still be preferable over the current neoliberal majority. Any legitimate progressive movement is going to realize they will need to redistribute the owner class' wealth. Every reform a progressive enacts will be undermined by the wealthy who are incentivized to overturn our democracy to enrich themselves.

I'm not a Democrat. I have no interest in going to bat for the Democrats. I was referencing an article that had an interview with the Uncommited Movement's preferred speaker and speech. I'm going to advocate for strategies that I think are most the useful for achieving goals such as majority rule democracy, socialism, ending Israel's genocide, etc. So while Biden was the nominee I advocated voting for him. Now that Kamala is the nominee I advocate voting for her.

edit: Also, to be even more clear, Kamala is a neoliberal, but she is the closest we can get to a progressive this election.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Fact remains, not voting is basically is half a vote for Trump, and Trump is going to be MUCH worse for the citizens of Gaza.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

What is Biden doing which reduces harm?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh look, another totally real account (awesome name by the way. Makes it easy).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Huh? I've been here longer than you.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

He reduces harm by not doing whatever trump would be doing if he were elected last election.

He could be doing more to try and reduce harm or at least least to promote harm, but trump would have made it so much worse.

Just remember, trump could have been elected in 2020 and been in office the last few years instead while this was all going on. Does anyone think Palestine would be in a better position if that were the case?

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