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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yes, yes, ban all cars, cars bad, drivers bad, noxious exhaust bad, aggressive drivers bad, and so on and so on, ad infinitum. See y'all in December-March at -40^0^C on your electric scooter that is totally non-polluting (what? is electricity totally non-polluting?) trying to navigate uncleared, dilapidated, pot-holed. roads to get anywhere.

Or better still, let's spend billions beginning with car-friendly infrastructure destruction; neglect regular road, bridge, and tunnel maintenance; and create nodes of community: 15-min walking cities. (*walking times vary by mobility, weather, and your health).

Well, villages.

Well, enclaves.

Well, compounds.

Do car-haters ever think farther than the end of their noses? Do they know what cause and effect is? Do they understand that 15-min walking cities make NIMBY communities? New mental health facility? NIMBY. New correctional facility? NIMBY. New addictions treatment center? NIMBY. Who gets them? The Untermensch who cannot afford to resist their placement.

All in the name of regressing away from cars and making tribal enclaves of like-minded, equally righteous, and (perhaps, most importantly) fiscally advantaged homogeneity.

Hating on cars is the tissue paper veneer of classism and, by extension, racism.

You really want to fight climate change? Too late: you have missed that during your fixation on one aspect (exactly as the petro-industry wanted) of the fight. Now start looking at how you're going to survive it's effects. Cause while you were raging against cars, we have passed the PNR on climate devastation.

And if your scooter doesn't have A/C, it's pretty useless in the April-November +40^0^C period as well. Because that's what climate change is: extremes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 26 minutes ago

At no point did the article claim a desire to ban cars, we are just asking cars to go the posted limit. The idea that hating car dependancy is classist and racist is absurd. Providing free public transit can be one of the most effective ways to lift people up in society. Plenty of people would use their electric scooter in the winter. Tons of people have fun all winter in cold conditions riding snow mobiles, the same gear that works for them could keep a scooter rider warm. The bigger issue for scooter riders is our cities refuse to maintain safe infrastructure for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Fuck it, gotta go fast. It would go faster though if all the office workers just took a bus or train. As a service tech, the traffic caused by unneeded trips is maddening when It takes me 45min to go 10km.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Surely with Toronto Police Services' budget they could better protect speed cameras if they wanted to

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m sure the city loves these cameras. Did you speed? Doesn’t matter, the camera says you did so pay up. Also these will ticket you for going even half a kilometer over, you can get a ticket for going 71 in a 70 where a human cop would just let that shit go

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 hours ago

... Where a human cop would light you up, slowing down all the traffic around you to safer levels, and give you immediate feedback.

But no you'll just get the same ticket for 10 over 5 days in a row before you notice the camera, and then get 5 tickets in the mail a month later.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won't speed if they cannot speed safely.

Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.

There are many forms of traffic management that don't require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.

...

I get it, good road design helps stop speeding but the idea that safety even crosses the mind of people going 80 in a 60 is laughable.

The fines should be compounding, after each ticket the fine goes up 10% until people learn to just drive the fuckin limit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Honest to god, it's not that hard to do 40 km/h in these zones. They post a sign telling you there's a speed camera coming up. You just have to go 40 for like 20 meters to avoid a ticket.

Why should we socialize the cost of "fixing" the road design, when we can instead make the individuals who speed pay?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

There will always be new people that speed. And people not knowing the place that speed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Both is good, because the way our streets are designed are both dangerous and expensive. Narrowing that 40 zone by the school can remove excess road space that now doesn't need to be maintained, cleaned, plowed, or salted. The excess space could be used by school, have trees planted, or be used for alternative transport like transit or bikes.

The roads are currently designed to prioritize driver throughput and provide "wiggle room" for driver error, often at the expense of people outside of the vehicle. Many of the concepts that engineers use to make highways safe were applied to city streets, which in hindsight maybe we don't want our city streets to be designed like highways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

The problem is that people are AWFUL at evaluating their own risk when driving, and drive at speeds that ARENT safe. Look at how few people leave appropruate stopping distances between vehicles, which is the #1 factor in preventing accidents.

The methods you proposed would likely decrease the speed vehicles travel at (ie from 80 to 60) because drivers feel like they can't travel at that speed, but the road likely still isn't safe for vehicles to travel at 60 when its that narrow.

Speed cameras catch everyone speeding, 24/7, and are the single best, economical, way to eliminate speeding from a road. Cop can't pull over every vehicle going 80 on a 4 lane road rated for 60, but the camera can ticket them all.

For sure, promote a narrower road, encourage MUP over sidewalks, and encourage safer driving when you talk to your councilors, but road reconstruction happens, generally, once every 25-50yrs. We can't wait for that timeframe to fix these problems.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I like reminding my friends in professional law enforcement that these cameras are exactly what losing your job to a machine is about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

We literally do not have enough law enforcement to properly enforce traffic laws. It is part of why average speeds have crept up to 10-20 over the limit. In fact enforcing traffic laws was kinda just something that was thrown at the police when cars were invented and we've never really stopped to think about it since.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I can't even remember the last time I even saw a cop doing speed enforcement in Toronto. Definitely not on the highways. It makes total sense to automate this, and I highly doubt anybody lost their job over it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

It may actually be a net positive in job creation between the installation, maintaince, and bureaucratic stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"It highlights the bigger problem, such as the frustration that the motorists have," Lacroix said.

Frustrated that they can't speed??? Frustrated enough to commit a crime because they can't commit a different crime??? 🤔

Since it was installed in April 2022, the camera has issued over 65,000 tickets and more than $7 million in fines, according to Safe Parkside.

This highlights the bigger problem, such as the complete lack of care that motorists have. 🤭

Keep fining them. And catch the people or persons who are vandalizing the cameras so they can spend the rest of their life paying for the damages.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know how it is up there, but down here in the states those traffic cams are pretty much all run by private for profit companies who take like 99% of the fines for themselves.

So I've got no problem with folks destroying them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Our cameras directly benefit the community, so people who destroy them here are criminals with no redeeming justification.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

Yea we've avoided the mass privatization of speed cameras so far and the vast majority of the fines goes into the city municipal budget, where it can be spent pretty much anywhere but often is spent on the roads themselves.

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