Putin bought and paid shills say what?
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2024
292 points (99.0% liked)
News
23266 readers
2994 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Purely strategically, the best bet is for NATO to fund and lend/lease materiel to Ukraine sufficient to make the Russian effort protracted and expensive. Maybe Ukraine can solidify some territorial gains in Russian oblasts enough to have bargaining chips. From there it is just a game of finding acceptable off-ramps. Maybe a treaty gets signed that trades territory back to something like the "original" borders circa the beginning to the current conflict.
Russia clearly doesn't care about personnel losses (and historically never has). But maybe if it drags on, the conflict will become economically and politically costly enough that Putin is looking for offramps.
Putin doesn't give a shit about personnel losses but Russia very much does, even if it doesn't know it yet. So many young men have been erased from the economy, either by them fleeing the country or being killed, it will affect Russian economy negatively for decades
I have to cynically agree - worse, Ukraine must cynically agree to it as well for survival. NATO has kept the war bracketed to keep it so expensive russia will eventually collapse, but not expensive enough that it would be evident to russia and they’d pull back. This is a horrible price in ukranian and russian lives, but they got putin to pay it to break russia.
He probably listened to at least one of the streamers that were bankrolled by Russia, so this is unsurprising.
Let’s couch that plan, JD. It’s no good
Not a big surprise the vice Putin fluffer is on the side of Russia not leaving Ukraine under a peace treaty and Ukraine promising not to protect itself. All after Russia violated treaties like the Budapest memorandum uncountable times attacking Ukraine. Meanwhile Putin fluffer Sr won't publicly state a position because he's obviously on Russia's side, they bankrolled his businesses when NYC banks told him to fuck off.
I think they already figured it out. Russia leaves Ukraine.
I think that Ukrainians figured out what republican plan is too, in advance, and that's why they took a piece of Kursk - to derail this horseshit
Maybe even gives Ukraine some of Russia too. And I’m not referring to crimea.
Gee, I wonder why? What an unexpected Coincidence!
/s
It's like people are just starting to figure it out!
“It doesn’t join NATO, it doesn’t join some of these sort of allied institutions,” Mr. Vance said. “I think that’s ultimately what this looks like.”
Elbridge Colby, one of Trumps simps from the Pentagon had this to add:
“Senator Vance is being realistic and putting out forthrightly a realistic basis for ending the conflict,” he said, “while other people are engaged in a kind of irresponsible fantasy.”
Imagine being asked to give up a significant piece of your nations territory, while being refused any security guarantees in the future. This is after your children have been raped and stolen and your land destroyed. This is what peace looks like? Fuck off both of you. If you let nations like Russia to steal land and get away with it, they won’t stop. Of course, we know Trump and Vance are puppets of Putin so no real surprises here. After all, we know how much dictators love trump.
While being attacked by a nation who promised to defend you from attacks if you gave up your nukes.
Elbridge Colby, one of Trumps simps from the Pentagon
I can't stand that smug nepo baby. He's a dollar-store Tucker Carlson whose self-confidence is completely unwarranted by his competence.
dollar-store Tucker Carlson
So dollar store clearance rack.
^
Whatever makes sense™ - Vancebot, a division of Peter Thiel's scrotum.
"How long have you been in Ukraine? Ok."
“figure out what a peaceful settlement looks like,”
Per the article, followed immediately by ceding the currently occupied parts of Ukraine to Russia and Ukraine promising never to join NATO or "related" organizations. Ukraine gets a "demilitarized" zone to do what, of course, THE INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDER was supposed to do.
Fucking hell. We wouldn't ask Iran for terms like that, but a maturing democracy that is allied with us... it's fine. After all, the west did shitty things like "offering a more appealing value proposition." Trump is not even good at being a hegemonic power.
His plan is "give Putin everything he wants." Real great negotiator there. /s
No, Putin would need to say a few nice things about the size of Trumps crowds, so the US would at least get some value out of the deal.
That's what he did (and more) for the Taliban.
Of course. Putin's shills always repeat after Putin.