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Vladimir Putin has said that a western move to let Kyiv use longer-range weapons against targets inside Russia would mean Nato would be “at war” with Moscow.

Putin spoke as US and UK top diplomats discussed easing rules on firing western weapons into Russia, which Kyiv has been pressing for, more than two and a half years into Moscow’s offensive.

“This would in a significant way change the very nature of the conflict,” Putin told a state television reporter.

“It would mean that Nato countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he added. “If that’s the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Ok well I guess we're all going to be affected. I propose that blender thing for putin when they get him out of the smokey hole.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

"Vladimir Putin says..."

Aaand my brain switches off. Another red line.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Another bluff. Also, we can just call it "special military operations".

Also, NATO includes Canada. Not just the US and European countries, like the article says.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Putin is only 5'6".

If he was a man, he would be a manlet.

But he is an orc, 5'6" is pretty tall for an orc.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Somebody fucking call their bluff already

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They've been calling it for basically the last whole war.

In fact, it's been done pretty masterfully by not making one huge step, but small steps where no single one would force him to do something, but just over time each small step eventually gets to the point where he said he would have to do something...and hasn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

his own game

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol. Ok. Let's see what little Vlad Puta calls "war". What a scared little bitch he is.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They've been launching cyber attacks at USA for years. Are they not at war yet?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

This is exactly the point. They are already at full throttle war with the West. The only further escalation they could make would be nukes, which would be their end, NATO can take out all of Russias nuclear capacity and win the war in Ukraine all with conventional weapons.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Again? Wouldn't that be like the fifth War NATO would enter with Russia, according to Putin?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So many red lines crossed its starting to look like a red carpet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oh no, NATO is on the brink of starting World War VIII!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Oh no...anyway

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Anyone who has played the 'Risk' board game has an idea what the next moves should be.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

So they should conquer the entirety of Asia in one turn, to get an extra 7 units per turn in order to afford their war with Europe?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Risk didn't properly account for Russia's nukes being parted out for the last 50 years by black-market scalpers.

They almost certainly lack sufficient unadulterated fuel, complete/functional nav systems, accurate arming systems or reliable detonation systems.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Touch the boats. Seriously. Try it. See what happens.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let Ukraine use slightly longer range weapons than anything they can prove has been fired by Russia. Every escalation by Russia is permission to use the next tier of missiles to wipe them out.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Just let Ukraine use all the conventional weapons.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well Putin, if you don't want a war with NATO, you could always do the responsible thing and get the fuck out of Ukraine and stop launching illegal invasions of your neighbors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the prefix "illegal" is not needed before invasion...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Chapter VII of the UN Charter, I.E. internationally agreed upon law by UN signatories, which Russia as a sitting member of the security council should be obliged to obey, states use of force against another country, especially other members of the UN is prohibited except in cases of self-defense or by authorization of UN Council.

So no, every invasion is not inherently illegal. That's only explicitly true when you talk about Russia, because like every authoritarian power they only care about rules when they benefit them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wtf ? Is there an example of UN-Council authorized invasions?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They can't even handle Ukraine lol, can you imagine NATO?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Russia have repeatedly admitted it has no chance of beating Nato. Hence the nuclear escalation is the only matter to discuss. A beated nation will press all the buttons.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

NATO should at least shoot down missiles and drones which enter their sovereign airspace. Save Ukrainian lives and structures. Would also be actual experience of shooting down such actual enemy hardware in their own airspace. No simulation, no controlled environment. Would also train their AI for real.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

maybe attack Ukrainian separatists as they are technically not Russian, and have flying transmitters over Ukraine and in the Black Sea with anti-Putin broadcasts.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Not to mention, Russia has been waging asymetric warfare tactics against NATO powers for years. If anything, it's that they haven't woken up to the nature of the conflict.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Doesnt this imply that, for Putin, Crimea and Donbas are not part of Russia? Those have been repeatedly hit by long range western missiles.

Maybe someone should inform the Russians living in those areas that their leader thinks less of them than other Russians.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

His soldiers don't much care for Kursk either. Since they are looting it for all its worth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Awkwardly ignoring the nationals in the Somoa, Guam and Virgin Islands. You can even make a case for Wales and Ireland. This is unfortunately common the more I think about it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Like the previous N times? 😴

Everyone is so afraid

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

The famous paper tiger. :p

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Negotiate the full deal to return Ukrainian, and exit peaceably. Run your stories in Russia "Ukraine successfully denazified, free and fair elections to be held" - "Ukrainian forces defeated at Russian border"...

...then go back to arresting democracy protestors, gay rights advocates, and your own alt-right talking heads... And try to keep your head on Vlad. Try to pick a successors, and a nice European country to retire to.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He will never be able to retire, lmao. He's going to die in one of his bunkers to afraid of being Gaddafied.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Then he'll remain a danger to the world and probably do a lot of horrible things protecting himself, which will not be a good outcome for the west.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wait a seconds. Haven’t they said that they are at war with NATO at least since the started the full invasion?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Well, yes. But this time they mean it. It's completely different.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At this point there is no point in beliving in Putin when he talks about red lines. Apparently he would Nuke the shit out of Ukraine if they entered Russian territory but this has not happened after Kursk..

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