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Kamala Harris running a damn near flawless campaign, with just a month 1/2 of campaigning. She’s been holding rallies nonstop with Tim Walz & not making her talking points about her race or gender like Hillary. She’s offering expanded healthcare, reinvestments back into public housing, wants to take on corporate greed, protect reproductive rights and chose a pro labor, pro education running mate.

Yet, she’s either barely leading or ties in most polls with a guy that:


Is a convicted felon.

Liable Sexual Predator.

Gets sentenced in November.

Has several more pending cases.

Increased Drone Strikes by 300%. (Joe Biden dosent use drones anymore).

Illegally killed an Iranian General unprovoked with a missle strike.

Increased tensions in Israel/Palestine with the Abraham Accords.

Wants war with Mexico (his words).

Tried to coup Venezuela.

Will bend the knee for Netanyahu’s potential war with Iran.

Lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% (lowest in history).

Obvious tax cuts for the rich.

Told people to drink bleach during the pandemic.

Is the main driving force for America’s current division.

Constantly attacks marginalized groups.

Tried to steal the 2020 election (Find Me 11,000 votes in GA).

Did Fake Elector Slates to pressure Mike Pence to not certify the 2020 election.

Caused a riot on the capitol that lead to his OWN supporters dying.

Just got washed by Harris in the last debate, was completely unprepared on anything but immigration (“I have concepts of a plan”).

And so much more. So seriously what is it? Is it just the attraction to bigotry/racism? Is it to end “wokeness”. Is it because Kamala is a woman of color? You can’t use the both sides argument like Hilary or Biden, Kamala is the obvious better choice. Could you imagine if Kamala had as much baggage as Trump? The media would lose their minds.

Seriously, how the f*** is this guy still in the race?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

The repuglicans that need to keep him out front so they can shovel their shit out of sight

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

A technical reason is because he has been a president before

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Winning, or perhaps losing, is existential to Donald Trump. If he loses, he will most certainly have to face down his legal issues.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Either lack of critical thinking or driven by greed.

You get the top to vote for you by ensuring they keep and/or increase their riches. That’s done by immediate things like tax cuts, or other long term strategies like cutting environmental protections and reducing the role of gov’t, allowing businesses to rape the planet and abuse their workforce as hard as possible to increase profits.

As for the rest of his supporters, the “MAGA” crowd, they’re kept in line by keeping them stupid, allowing you to more easily feed them propaganda and influence their emotions to fit your needs. Religion teaches them to be subservient from an early age and take a back seat to a higher power, whether that be god or the charismatic talking head at the alter or on tv, all the while leeching as much money from them as possible without leaving them totally destitute. This helps explain why conservatives/religious turds continue to attack early education (less chance of them learning to think critically and question things), school lunch programs (hinder brain development), libraries (access to other ideas/beliefs), sex education and abortions (keeping those accidental pregnancies from being stopped, thereby ensuring the already uneducated and poor families continue to have kids they cannot support financially and give a good education to). It’s all very sinister when you look at the whole picture. It’s why I detest religion, not so much the concept and practicing of religion, but how evil men have turned it into a weapon, and exploiting the very people they pretend to care about. A lot of the evil they push is all done under the guise of religious beliefs/freedoms.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why is he still in the race or why are his supporters?

For him I think it's obvious. Narcissism and the fact that he has a lot of federal crimes in the courts that he can stop when he is elected.

His supporters are more complicated. He pretty decently still owns the GOP so even if they are getting cold feet, they don't seem to have a plan to overthrow him. I feel like they are planning on just stonewalling for 4 more years and then try to win the next one and cut the checks to the billionaires then.

I got nothing on his base though. I haven't understood them for 10 years now. Not sure I ever will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Part of the checks cut get reinvested in the propaganda that gets more checks cut. It's a whole corrupt system, as attested to by this list of think tanks backing someone like a Jordan Peterson:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/yl29i2/jordan_peterson_and_the_think_tanks/

...you can research most rightwing media and personalities and make lists and connections (some if Trump's for instance run through Roy Cohn, the original red scare and the mafia for instance).

It's likely the same for some leftwing individuals to. It's the reproduction of this culture, and the economic loops that perpetuate the toxicities of the current systems.

...and it will keep going long after Trump is gone.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What's keeping Trump in the race is the fact that most Americans are working 2-3 jobs to main a basic standard of living and have to actually look at their grocery, utility, and medical bills.

Crazy doesn't seem so crazy when the other candidate promised to make your life better and failed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I have to do the same thing but my natural response isn't to attack others based on physical traits or religious beliefs. My natural response is to figure out who's hoarding the most resources and convince them it's in their best interest to share lest others take a more violent approach at a more desperate time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I feel you, dude.

But 99% of voters are going to vote against you on that. There's nothing we can do about wealth disparity empowering either of these two parties. The best you can do is invest whatever you have to spare, because the stock market at least is on the side of both major parties.

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I remember the summer of 2016, when I was playing Pokemon Go in the parks and people I had never talked to and that lived nearby were playing it next to me. We were all celebrating when we caught a pokemon when we were after, and comparing which ones we'd caught with each other.

At the time I thought...who would buy Trump's conman routine? Who actually thinks that the country is in a terrible enough place that we need to elect this person who seems to actively hate the country and seemed to want to set the entire thing on fire?

I left my Californian home and went back to my original state to visit my family. We went to several different areas of the state in fall of 2016 because my wife was from a rural area and I originally grew up in a slightly more suburban area. I saw the signs in the yards, I saw the discontent, and I saw how people did not seem to be reacting the same way to his craziness. I saw how casually they would put on his rants in the background while talking about other issues. I saw how some of them were amused by his antics. It had been a couple of years since I had last been back and it once again struck me how much worse the area appeared to be from the last time I was there. I was in a rural area when the "Access Hollywood" tape dropped. People seemed to visibly shrink at even the mention of the news. I thought he was done for, and that this was a bridge too far for his supporters to cross. That people would vote third party, or not vote at all. I did not get the sense that my thoughts were shared by those around me.

When I came back to California, people were talking about the debates. It was sunny and nice out, and people would talk about the projects they had going on in their houses, or they'd talk about work related affairs. People were sometimes amused by Trump's antics, but everyone uniformly thought it was impossible for him to win the election. Having seen what I had seen in the weeks prior, I was no longer one of these people. "They'll never let him win", one of my co-workers said. I was stunned....who are "they"? Does the rest of the country actually believe this?

It turns out quite a few of them did. Many people thought there was just simply no way that Trump would win, because either the system was already rigged against him and would not allow him to win, or because the country was just not in dire enough straits to elect such a madman (as I once thought).

Hindsight is 20/20 but when I thought it was bizarre that he was even a viable candidate at one point in 2016, and I saw the decaying state where I grew up, I thought "if he wins the election, then we are in a much worse state as a country than I thought". And we undoubtedly are.

Of course he won, but the reason that I have this somewhat rambling response to this question is that the answer to "why is he still in the race?" ultimately comes down to the overall state of this country.

He is in this race because this is where we are as a country: barely able to imagine a possible future that is brighter than the present, because we are still caught up in degenerative non-sense that keeps us thinking that our broken down towns, and our poor social bonds are caused by some horde of "others" instead of their true causes: our ever-widening wealth inequality, our ever-decaying moral responsibilities to each other, and our national instinct to absolve ourselves of our responsibilities by claiming that not only is it correct to be forever self-serving, but that even the idea of altruism is a lie.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I rmember stephen colbert's face lol

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

even the idea of altruism is a lie.

Wow. You're right. Helping others is as politicized as abortion. One of the tribes can't even fathom uplifting their neighbors because that could be equated to socialism and it would get them kicked out of their in-group.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Constantly attacks marginalized groups.

That's a feature, not a bug

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

There's a lot of reasons people have already mentioned, but I'll add this.

Your applying logic and reasoning to people who are illogical and unreasonable...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Racism and cult mentality.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The left didn't invade rightwing spaces, the spaces that have been propagandized to since 2014, and present credible arguments against the propaganda on a consistent basis.

So what you have is a decades backlog of brainwashed people Russia and others were paying to spread propaganda to.

It's not that complicated, and it will continue - even after Trump is gone. Koch, Musk, Thiel, Dan and Ferris Wilks, Zuckerberg, American billionaires are in this too, paying nominally conservative people to believe Libertarianism, tax evasion and defunding the nation in the name of "owning the crazy libs" is patriotism.

It's nuts. America is under constant attack, and don't expect the Establishment Liberal majority to fight back outside of election season.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Ego. Trump's narcissistic, authoritarian personality won't allow him to retreat or surrender in what he sees as a popularity contest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I think a lot of Americans like to feel special/different/superior and Trump helps feed that addiction

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At one time it would have sounded like a conspiracy theory, but you don't get here without a massive disinformation campaign.

Trump's supporters have been so programmed to accept everything he says at face value or, in some cases, just to ignore what he actually said in favor of the party's updated spin. In all cases, they believe it is impossible that he could do any wrong, so any semblance of incongruity or poor leadership or any negative aspect of Trump at all must be due to lies of his opponents -- even if that means the entire system would have to be rigged against him to an extremely unlikely degree.

The last time the world saw these tactics used to such an extreme extent and with such success required a widespread campaign of so-called "denazification" after a very prolonged war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

The left have been asleep at the wheel since 2014 (this is the smaller of the two problems), and centrist neoliberals will not wake up because they're inculcated into the systems that keep them asleep at the wheel (this is the larger of the two problems, and likely includes establishment leftists like Kamala).

It's the problems of "the one dimensional man" where we can't even think outside of the systems we know to be the problem... and most people don't even make any serious efforts to try to.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Overton window has shifted dramatically in the last 10 years. He represents aversion to that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Propagandizing a proclaimed shift, and there being an actual shift are two different things.

Trump's side have proclaimed a shift which isn't actually a significant reality. Things change over a decade, but nothing notably significant has changed in terms of the over all running of the system, or the reproduction of culture/society.

It's mild progress being pushed by right wing propaganda as "civilization ending chaos".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would be cautious about writing off an entire side's viewpoint as overdramatic. When they do that to the left, does anyone change their mind?

This is all about division.

We need to work on understanding the root cause of issues and working towards fixing that.

I think economics is actually at the core of the problem.

A lot of people don't have the basics right now, and they lash out at anything they can to try to fix it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't write them off as overly dramatic, nothing of the sort. They're dangerous (for some of the reasons you point to, division), and it's a very well organized, well funded, and well oiled machine that keeps them dangerous. Funded by technocratic and Libertarian billionaires.

So I agree with you, that it's an economic issue, but we can't just all sit down and "fix it" (that's a pipe dream) - you can't sit down with those invested think tank billionaires to solve the problem any more than you can play Jenga with someone who wants to smash the tower before it's built.

It doesn't work that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Thanks! Good response. I think it is always worth the effort to try and understand and talk to people and use words to convince them. I think everyone can be convinced, we just have to pull the right levers.

But if it's the community's opinion that that is not an option, and only violence is the answer. I have very low hopes for our country's future.

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