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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

28 Blåhajar + a Mini one.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Did a quick one to mimic my current “console killer” pc that sits in my living room, runs Bazzite 6700 XT

This is new stuff, one of the benefits of PC gaming is that you can roll builds. So if you had a gaming pc in the last 5 years you're looking at a £450 upgrade, not a £700 one if you're a PS5 player. Or even hitting up used for things like cases etc

Using a bench of Horizon Zero Dawn for the GPU

2k bench taken from techspot

so doing what the PS5 pro will be and using an upscaller like FSR/DLSS to hit 4k

4K is in the 50s, but again scalers used brings it to 60.

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 4600G 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor £87.70 @ NeoComputers
Motherboard Biostar B450MHP Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £50.99 @ Ebuyer
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory £16.48 @ Amazon UK
Storage Western Digital Blue SA510 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £99.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card £449.99 @ Amazon UK
Case Thermaltake S100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case £34.99 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply £42.99 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £783.12
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-12 08:02 BST+0100

I have played GOW as well as a ton of other games this year at a resolution of 2K 144fps HDR on my machine without any issues or stutters. Also don't have to wait for a republish that I have to rebuy to enjoy older games at 4k 140hz currently playing AC4 and it looks amazing.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good sir, your Pikachu is too HD. See to it at once

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Given that most games are multi-platform and that developers would need to optimize games for existing consoles, is there any real need for the pro version (not counting the Sony's desire to earn money by selling PS5 twice)?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (14 children)

Genuine question, could you make a PC that can perform as well as the PS5 Pro for $700?

I’ve built many computers for work over the years, but never my own gaming PC. I’m starting to plan one and I have no idea what I do and do not need, performance-wise. Like, I know I don’t need a 4090, but how cheap is too cheap to get good performance?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

I think someone just did it in this thread, but something else to consider is that a PC usually enables you to buy games much more cheaply, multiplayer is not behind a subscription, the catalogue is basically infinite and it also enables so many other activities than just gaming.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

If you're willing to buy at least some PC parts used (like the GPU and maybe CPU) you could probably build a very competitive machine for the same price. Maybe even something better. With new parts probably not yet, necessarily. But of course, that depends a little on your local market. Here in Germany for example, a new RX 6800 (the equivalent GPU, according to IGN) alone would be roughly ⅔ of a PS5 Pro, while a used one is a little less than half the price. You probably need to wait a generation or so for new PC parts to be price competitive (as you do with almost every new console release).

However, if you already have an existing PC that you could upgrade (For example you have an earlier generation Ryzen processor and could upgrade to Ryzen 5000 with just a BIOS update and you could sell your current CPU and GPU to get some of your money back when buying something more powerful), you could likely easily beat it. That's the actual power of having a PC. You can stretch $700/800€ quite far, if you don't have to buy a new case, RAM, PSU, storage and/or motherboard.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I built a PC with similar specs than a PS5 in the smallest case I could find. The size is similar to a modern console. I payed 1800€, had to make some custom parts and I still saved the money for an OS by installing Nobara Linux.

If you ask me: Nobody can build a PC, similar to a PS5 or XBOX Series, for a competitive price.

Still, I won't change my PC for any console.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Its about price to performance value. With same value you can build an equivalent PC. Which won't be banned and turned into a brick on their own whim. Many users very unjustly banned and were not able to connect to internet and game online. For the same price you could do more to with PC. Pros out weighs the cons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I want to see this equivalent PC. (A BOM would do.) Because I highly doubt someone can source the parts for this cheap.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Yep, a proper GPU would cost more than PS5. A second-hand market can come to rescue, but let's not pretend that these two groups (console users and pc builders) overlap in a significant way. People buy consoles because they are cheap and easy to use.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The proper metric to plan around is longevity, unless you absolutely need performance now.

Performance and cost should be divided by time. Do you think that bit of hardware will be able to support software for the next two years, or five? That is one way to "compute" value, anyway.

A 4090 will eventually be outdated and unable to run new software, but that may not happen for a good number of years. If you want to get super deep, start crunching the numbers on power costs too. It may simply become too inefficient to run, eventually. (Hell, it's probably super inefficient now, actually.)

I almost always buy top-tier "last-gen" tech, right after "new-gen" is released when I am saving money. When I have the extra cash and it makes sense, top-tier may also be a good investment.

Be honest with yourself and determine what matters most to you and put your money there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

It also depends on what games you play, I never play any big AAA action games with amazing graphics so I don't need a crazy gpu

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I love how Sony learned nothing from the PS3 launch price.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (7 children)

The launch PS3 was arguably Sony’s last great console (namely hardware backwards compatibility); I choose to die on this hill. 🫡

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I can confirm, PS2 emulation works mostly flawless on my CFW PS3 without native backwards compatibility. There is absolutely no point in buying an older energy-hungry hot-running PS3.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The PS3, be it the early PHATs or even the super slims were technically amazing machines but, at least in the beginning, they still were way to expensive for the reduced quality in most cross party titles compared to the 360. Was probably a no-brainer upgrade though, if you could sell your PS2 to replace it with a brand spanking new PS3 without losing access to your games.

Also, the amazing first party titles Sony put out over the years (that actually took advantage of the PS3's over-designed processor) make it worth buying even today, as you can get it for less than 50€ in good condition and it's easily jailbreakable.

Just maybe don't sell your first born for one that is backward compatible with PS2 today. Just buy a used PS2 as well (most of them are jailbreakable just as easily) or just emulate it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This bad boy can run so many PS2 games

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A PC, sure. A great PC? Er... em... $1,000, sure.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You pay a premium for sucky prebuilts when with bit of work and some research (assuming you've never done it before) you can build your own far better PC with decent specs for 700.

pcpartpicker.com is your friend

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Where's the list with the same or better raytracing, upscaling, 2TB nvme, DDR5, all of that without having to fuck around with settings and shit for <$700

Drop the method 🙏

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