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Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I was reading David and Amy's stuff on energy costs of AI and ended up skimming the MSFT "environment sustainability report" and... god

Like I don't even know how to satirise this. Help me sneer pros, for I am too depressed to make fun of this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Google also said something similar in one of their reports. Something along the lines of sure AI wrecked their sustainability report this year, but just you wait until it optimizes the data centers! As if the robots could find holes in thermodynamics or something.

Anyway it's not that great but here's my attempt at the sneer you asked for:

"Additionally, we are exploring how attaching flame-throwers to the bottom of private jets and flying over the tree-tops of forests can further increase the accountability and traceability for our Scope 3 carbon emissions."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Appreciate, but flamethrowers on jets still sounds somehow less idiotic than tracking CO2 emissions with BLOCKCHAIN

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

OpenAI manages to do an entire introduction of a new model without using the word "hallucination" even once.

Apparently it implements chain-of-thought, which either means they changed the RHFL dataset to force it to explain its 'reasoning' when answering or to do self questioning loops, or that it reprompts itsefl multiple times behind the scenes according to some heuristic until it synthesize a best result, it's not really clear.

Can't wait to waste five pools of drinkable water to be told to use C# features that don't exist, but at least it got like 25.2452323760909304593095% better at solving math olympiads as long as you allow it a few tens of tries for each question.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

When [musk’s new] supercomputer gets to full capacity, the local utility says it’s going to need a million gallons of water per day and 150 megawatts of electricity — enough to power 100,000 homes per year.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

There are some steam turbine power plants (like coal-fired) (on smaller side) with power output like that

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Why are you saying that LLMs are useless when they're useless only most of the time

I'm sorry but I've been circling my room for an hour now seeing this and I need to share it with people lest I go insane.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Some ok anti-AI voices in that thread. But mostly a torrent of shit

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Criticizing others for not being perfectly exacting with their language and then jumping in front of the LLM headlights all at once, truly the human mind has no limits.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

My heuristic is basically: until we can easily control the environment of earth, terraforming will not be on the horizon. Given that we are hell-bent on driving off of as many cliffs as we can, I’m pretty happy to continue thinking that we’ll never get off this rock proper within the ol’ lifespan

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

your loved ones on the outside may deliver some food to you no sooner than nine months after you ask for it.

And this is optimistic, assuming you start asking when the launch window is correct, and there is a rocket available. (stuff like this is why seeing Musk talk about his plans is so funny, he wants to send 1 ship the next launch window to test the rocket landing on mars and then 2 the next, etc etc. But all this assumes nothing goes wrong, because if anything goes wrong there now is about a year to analyze what went wrong, test the fixes, add it to the rockets, etc (and even if something goes wrong/right, how would you know? There are no camera people on mars, nobody who can notice the issue and aim the camera a that, if you want something like that, you will need to deploy that first (and, then we are back to the first issue, this can fail) Can't believe we are doing move fast and break things for space travel while ignoring the climate change issue. (ow wait, that is the breaking things, ffuuuu).

And most of the issues here are just planning/analysis problems, I have not even talked about the actual engineering issues (which might not even be solvable, the difference between science fiction and engineering is that the later at least knows there are limits). And the financial issues, Musk pockets, while deep (and mostly on paper) are not unlimited, and he already has had to ask other billionaires for help. Sometimes with bad results.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@Soyweiser You're assuming the first Starship to Mars has a cargo of canned primates. Rest assured, it can't and it won't. (Also, I doubt Starship will be ready for Mars—extended duration in space, remember—in time for the 2026 launch window. Although a robot probe as a payload launched atop Starship is entirely possible in that time frame: you don't need reusability, just a bloody big payload bay and the ability to reach orbit once, which Starship achieved as of OFT-3.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No I assumed the first starship was just a test to see if the landing there would work (that was Musks new plan), and he would send the first loads of [whatever (but not people)] 2 years after that first step worked/didn't work but they fixed the issues. The actual people come 2 years after that in 4 shuttles. (According to Musks latest ramblings I heard, and yes he loves exponential functions (I'll edit in a source if I can find it, but not sure if I will, he talks a lot about a lot of different things, and finding anything about him is hard, so I'm going to have to retrace my steps. Here, he also references reusable rockets, which seems to me like one of those thing which will not be useful re mars for a long long time. Unless we start mining helium on the moon (I'm kidding I saw your earlier post on that). And I think messed up a bit, as he doesn't talk about the ??? step here, so my mind either made that up, or he mentioned that in the past, sorry about that)).

~~My problem is with the whole plan of sending the first rocket there to test if the landing works in 2 years. Which seems like a total waste and a bit useless, and the crazy timeframes after that, the year to fix any problems which come up in the landing before he starts sending cargo. (which is also already strange, I don't think he has really gotten plans what to send, so his six year plan is : test landing, send ???, send people. All while up-scaling the building of more ships). I'd expect him to actually have a plan for the ??? part, and not have the weird rushed timeframes.~~

~~I hope that all this is just because the people at SpaceX just keep him very far away from any real decisions and just distract him with dances and jumping around when he finally is there. Because this sending of an empty rocket first can't be the plan.~~ Seems, I misread his post, as my source doesn't back up my statements, sorry about that. (so it is even dumber, but in different ways than I mentioned).

E: I also wonder if we are even capable of hitting the same place twice on mars, I'm sure it is possible technically, not sure if we can do that yet. How close did the other mars projects hit their targets?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

You could build a whole library of articles like this: here's one from early last year

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

this is a fun read

another I ran into earlier (via an outfit from these parts) is this piece from The Conversation. I wish I could get as irked about linear extrapolation as I usually do, but in lieu of guardrails arresting (and clawing back!) all that shit from all these ghouls...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Ok this might be a bit petty of me but, yes this HN comment right here officer.

A group pwns an entire TLD with a fair amount of creativity, and this person is like (paraphrasing) "if you think that's bad news just wait until you hear AIs can find trivial XSS and SQL injections 😱".

Aside: have I ever mentioned here that you should really stick with .com / .net / .org / certain country domains? Because this sort of stuff is exactly why. Awful.systems can get a pass since the domain name is just that good.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck it, we're going back to bang paths. ficix!hetzner!awful!self please add support for this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

you have no idea how much I’ve been tempted to do UUCP

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

I liked this comment on the HN post:

Our computer security analogies are modeled around securing a home from burglars, but the actual threat model is the ocean surging 30 feet onto our beachfront community. The ocean will find the holes, no matter how small. We are not prepared for this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

.mobi? They became the admins of the file format? And they paid for it? Good luck with that. ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Awful.systems can get a pass since the domain name is just that good.

a new source of anxiety has formed

in all seriousness, a backup domain name might not be the worst idea one day. I don’t think Lemmy’s federation particularly likes being ripped out of one FQDN and migrated to another, but it’s probably preferable to shutting down cause the owners of our TLD thoroughly shit the bed

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

awful’s probably okay, .systems is run by Donuts and they’re not one of the bigger operations around

pro-tip: do not learn things about how TLDs work (and I mean the bit beyond dns architecture), it is cursed knowledge you can’t unlearn

and with that warning delivered, y’all may freely run to hyperfocus on this, and realize too late it’s a gateway drug

regarding backup domain: yeah always handy to have something, but nfi how to port it. AP’s identity design there really leaves something to be desired :/

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

quoted because this is fucking gold and paraphrasing isn’t doing it:

Do you have any references/examples of this?

tons

rapid7 for example use LLMs to analyze code and identify vulnerabilities such as SQL injection, XSS, and buffer overflows.

Can you point me to a blog or feature of them that does this? I used to work at R7 up until last year and there was none of this functionality in their products at the time and nothing on the roadmap related to this.

must've been another company then which i got confused with the name

Good thing you have tons of examples.

Right?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if he got standard ML and LLM confused. (I did hear there was some usage of LLM/ML to help with some documentation stuff I think on a riskybusiness podcast, but I would have to relisten for the details. It could also just have been promotional stuff, while they are not actually using it).

Poor DeiSteve, it always sucks when you have a decades old username which suddenly takes up political meaning.

"created: 51 days ago"

Oh no.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Standard ML the programming language or standard as in conventional and ML as in machine learning?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Machine learning.

E: Turns out the DEI guy might have been right btw. https://www.rapid7.com/about/press-releases/rapid7s-ai-engine-supercharges-security-operations-with-generative-ai/ if by generative AI they mean a LLM.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

holy fuck awful.systems works on servo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

so for posting it's definitely less than ideal (not pictured: the 15 second delay before typing and the comment text being filled in), but it actually renders lemmy with shockingly few issues

image descriptionsscreenshots of awful.systems rendering in Servo. it looks both janky and weirdly normal. for some reason, servo seems to be running inside of the emacs text editor.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

A new substack about AI: Ludd. "Citizen Journalism on AI, Publishing, and the new Tech Landscape". First post is about Repeater Books, Israel and AI: second is about AI and climate change.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Phase 3: Reality Distortion (2041-2050)

2041-2043: Financial Multiverse Modeling

  • Quantum computers simulate multiple financial realities simultaneously
  • Development of "Schrödinger's Ledger" prototype, allowing superposition of financial states

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/roadmap-quantum-accounting-milestones-evolution-garrett-irmsc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you left the best one:

First successful experiments in "temporal arbitrage" using quantum prediction models

not only they know about "temporal arbitrage experiments" but they also already know that these were successful. that kinda defeats purpose of experiment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Frankly, it just didn't stand out. The entire post is such a hoot. Someone must be microdosing meth again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have to admit that I wasn't expecting LinkedIn to become a wretched hive of "quantum" bullshit, but hey, here we are.

Tangentially: Schrödinger is a one-man argument for not naming ideas after people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

2026-2027: Blockchain Revolution

  • Widespread adoption of blockchain for secure, transparent financial transactions
  • Development of industry-specific blockchain solutions
  • Smart contracts automate complex financial agreements

ah good, we're still on schedule for that I guess

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Somebody played cookie clicker.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

From the reactions:

“With enough garbage the model will become sentient”

"I mean thats how humans are raised tho"

AAAAAAAAAAAA

(There is a tendency among promtfondlers to, in their attempt to hype up their objects of affection, diminish humans and humanity).

As my little 2 year old said, after listening to a white noise generator for days. "Holy shit, I think therefore I am!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

diminish humans and humanity

AKA tell on themselves

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